20 questions- Raven (IV)

On Dec 17, 6:21 pm, "Raven"
wrote:
> "TT Arvind" skrev i meddelelsennews:ab155e9f-9dd4-48bf-8bd7-63ba30adc0f1@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Animal kingdom.
> > 1. is it a bird?
> > No.
> > 2. Is it a living animal?
> > The Elvish answer.
> > 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> > No.
> > 4. Does it appear in LotR?
> > No.
> > 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
> > No.
> > 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
> > The Elvish answer.
> > 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
> > of Hurin?
> > No.
> > 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
> > containing Tolkien's general mythology?
> > No.
> > 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
> > Yes.
> > 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
> > of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
> > No.
> > 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
> > No, not Rover.
> > 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
> > No.
> > 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
> > No.
> > 14. do we witness* its death?
> > *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
> > Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
> > 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
> > No.
> > 16. Is it human?
> > Yes.
> > 17. Is it Niggle?
> > No.
> > 18. Does it die a violent death?
> > Yes.
> > 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
> > No.
> > 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
> > die at the hands of a human?
> > No.
> > 21. is "it" male?
> > Yes.
> > 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
> > Tolkien was alive?
> > Yes.

23. Was the killer a dragon?

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TT Arvind wrote:
> On 15 Dec, 21:38, Öjevind Lång wrote:

>> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?

> By the way, the first person killed in an automobile accident in the
> US happened to be called Henry Bliss.

LOL. Thanks, I didn't knew this.

> Does we know whether this played any role in Tolkien's choice of
> name for Mr. Bliss?

I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's the case.
Seems exactly like the way Tolkien would think.

- Dirk
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> Animal kingdom.
> 1. is it a bird?
> No.
> 2. Is it a living animal?
> The Elvish answer.
> 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> No.
> 4. Does it appear in LotR?
> No.
> 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
> No.
> 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
> The Elvish answer.
> 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
> of Hurin?
> No.
> 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
> containing Tolkien's general mythology?
> No.
> 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
> Yes.
> 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
> of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
> No.
> 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
> No, not Rover.
> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
> No.
> 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
> No.
> 14. do we witness* its death?
> *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
> Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
> 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
> No.
> 16. Is it human?
> Yes.
> 17. Is it Niggle?
> No.
> 18. Does it die a violent death?
> Yes.
> 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
> No.
> 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
> die at the hands of a human?
> No.
> 21. is "it" male?
> Yes.
> 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
> Tolkien was alive?

Yes.

Korax.
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"TT Arvind" skrev i meddelelsen


> Animal kingdom.
> 1. is it a bird?
> No.
> 2. Is it a living animal?
> The Elvish answer.
> 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> No.
> 4. Does it appear in LotR?
> No.
> 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
> No.
> 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
> The Elvish answer.
> 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
> of Hurin?
> No.
> 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
> containing Tolkien's general mythology?
> No.
> 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
> Yes.
> 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
> of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
> No.
> 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
> No, not Rover.
> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
> No.
> 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
> No.
> 14. do we witness* its death?
> *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
> Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
> 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
> No.
> 16. Is it human?
> Yes.
> 17. Is it Niggle?
> No.
> 18. Does it die a violent death?
> Yes.
> 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
> No.
> 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
> die at the hands of a human?
> No.
> 21. is "it" male?
> Yes.
> 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
> Tolkien was alive?
> Yes.
> 23. Was the killer a dragon?

Yes.

Corb.
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Does the human (who dies at
the end of their life, violently) die at the hands of a human?



uhh ... when ELSE do people die?
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"Raven" skrev i
meddelandet

>> Animal kingdom.
>> 1. is it a bird?
>> No.
>> 2. Is it a living animal?
>> The Elvish answer.
>> 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> No.
>> 4. Does it appear in LotR?
>> No.
>> 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
>> No.
>> 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
>> The Elvish answer.
>> 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
>> of Hurin?
>> No.
>> 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
>> containing Tolkien's general mythology?
>> No.
>> 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
>> Yes.
>> 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
>> of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
>> No.
>> 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
>> No, not Rover.
>> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
>> No.
>> 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
>> No.
>> 14. do we witness* its death?
>> *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
>> Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
>> 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
>> No.
>> 16. Is it human?
>> Yes.
>> 17. Is it Niggle?
>> No.
>> 18. Does it die a violent death?
>> Yes.
>> 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
>> No.
>> 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
>> die at the hands of a human?
>> No.
>> 21. is "it" male?
>> Yes.
>> 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
>> Tolkien was alive?
>> Yes.
>> 23. Was the killer a dragon?
> Yes.

Is it the parson of Quercum?

Öjevind
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On 18 Dec, 15:11, "Raven"
wrote:
>    This is why I answered "yes and no" to question 2.  He appears in the
> narrative by virtue of being dead.  Silly of me?  Perhaps, but I took the
> question quite literally.  The parson of Oakley was not, at the time of the
> part of the narrative concerning him, a living animal.  However, answering
> "no" to the question, while technically being accurate, would effectively be
> a lie.  For the next many questions you would most likely have been looking
> for anything from a leathern shield to a severed skull.
>    Of course, I could instead have answered "not anymore", but this would
> have given away too much in a single question.  A pseudo-zen riddle suited
> me better.

And "not anymore" would in any event not have excluded severed skulls,
and would have not really been very different from "no".

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On Dec 17, 10:25 pm, "Chris Hoelscher"
wrote:
>   Does the human (who dies at
> the end of their life, violently) die at the hands of a human?
>
> uhh ... when ELSE do people die?

It seemed to be relevant that it was a violent death, and the exact
timing of deaths in relation to answers has been being discussed;
other than that, I confess to facetiousness.

Rebecca
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On Dec 18, 10:11 am, "Raven"
wrote:
> "Öjevind Lång" skrev i meddelelsennews:7p0vjdF2r2U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Animal kingdom.
> > 1. is it a bird?
> > No.
> > 2. Is it a living animal?
> > The Elvish answer.
> > 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> > No.
> > 4. Does it appear in LotR?
> > No.
> > 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
> > No.
> > 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
> > The Elvish answer.
> > 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
> > of Hurin?
> > No.
> > 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
> > containing Tolkien's general mythology?
> > No.
> > 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
> > Yes.
> > 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
> > of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
> > No.
> > 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
> > No, not Rover.
> > 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
> > No.
> > 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
> > No.
> > 14. do we witness* its death?
> > *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
> > Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
> > 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
> > No.
> > 16. Is it human?
> > Yes.
> > 17. Is it Niggle?
> > No.
> > 18. Does it die a violent death?
> > Yes.
> > 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
> > No.
> > 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
> > die at the hands of a human?
> > No.
> > 21. is "it" male?
> > Yes.
> > 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
> > Tolkien was alive?
> > Yes.
> > 23. Was the killer a dragon?
> > Yes.
> > 24. Is it the parson of Quercum?
>
>    Yes.  You win.
>
>    This is why I answered "yes and no" to question 2.  He appears in the
> narrative by virtue of being dead.  Silly of me?  Perhaps, but I took the
> question quite literally.  The parson of Oakley was not, at the time of the
> part of the narrative concerning him, a living animal.  However, answering
> "no" to the question, while technically being accurate, would effectively be
> a lie.  For the next many questions you would most likely have been looking
> for anything from a leathern shield to a severed skull.
>    Of course, I could instead have answered "not anymore", but this would
> have given away too much in a single question.  A pseudo-zen riddle suited
> me better.
>    <go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes>

TOLKIEN never said that ravens are elves. That fragment is a forgery.
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"Öjevind Lång" skrev i meddelelsen


> Animal kingdom.
> 1. is it a bird?
> No.
> 2. Is it a living animal?
> The Elvish answer.
> 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> No.
> 4. Does it appear in LotR?
> No.
> 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
> No.
> 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
> The Elvish answer.
> 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
> of Hurin?
> No.
> 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
> containing Tolkien's general mythology?
> No.
> 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
> Yes.
> 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
> of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
> No.
> 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
> No, not Rover.
> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
> No.
> 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
> No.
> 14. do we witness* its death?
> *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
> Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
> 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
> No.
> 16. Is it human?
> Yes.
> 17. Is it Niggle?
> No.
> 18. Does it die a violent death?
> Yes.
> 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
> No.
> 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
> die at the hands of a human?
> No.
> 21. is "it" male?
> Yes.
> 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
> Tolkien was alive?
> Yes.
> 23. Was the killer a dragon?
> Yes.
> 24. Is it the parson of Quercum?

Yes. You win.

This is why I answered "yes and no" to question 2. He appears in the
narrative by virtue of being dead. Silly of me? Perhaps, but I took the
question quite literally. The parson of Oakley was not, at the time of the
part of the narrative concerning him, a living animal. However, answering
"no" to the question, while technically being accurate, would effectively be
a lie. For the next many questions you would most likely have been looking
for anything from a leathern shield to a severed skull.
Of course, I could instead have answered "not anymore", but this would
have given away too much in a single question. A pseudo-zen riddle suited
me better.
<go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes>

Korpen.
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"Raven" skrev i
meddelandet

> "Öjevind Lång" skrev i meddelelsen
>
>
>> Animal kingdom.
>> 1. is it a bird?
>> No.
>> 2. Is it a living animal?
>> The Elvish answer.
>> 3. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> No.
>> 4. Does it appear in LotR?
>> No.
>> 5. Does it appear in the Silmarillion?
>> No.
>> 6. Does it occur in one of the Middle Earth works?
>> The Elvish answer.
>> 7. Is it mentioned in The Hobbit, Unfinished Tales, HoME, or Children
>> of Hurin?
>> No.
>> 8. Is whatever we are invited to identify mentioned in one of the works
>> containing Tolkien's general mythology?
>> No.
>> 9. Is it from one of his other works of fiction?
>> Yes.
>> 10. So, since it seems to be established that it is the Other category
>> of works; Is it an animal found in Tolkien's poetry?
>> No.
>> 11. (guessing, based on No. 2) Is it Rover?
>> No, not Rover.
>> 12. Is it Mr Bliss?
>> No.
>> 13. Back to some basics. Does it go on four legs normally?
>> No.
>> 14. do we witness* its death?
>> *by "witness", i mean "read about", not "see", PEDANTS!
>> Yes. Hence my answer to question 2. Very good.
>> 15. Long shot. Is it Bellomarius?
>> No.
>> 16. Is it human?
>> Yes.
>> 17. Is it Niggle?
>> No.
>> 18. Does it die a violent death?
>> Yes.
>> 19. Is it Beorhthelm?
>> No.
>> 20. Does the human (who dies at the end of their life, violently)
>> die at the hands of a human?
>> No.
>> 21. is "it" male?
>> Yes.
>> 22. Was the book in which the character appears published while
>> Tolkien was alive?
>> Yes.
>> 23. Was the killer a dragon?
>> Yes.
>> 24. Is it the parson of Quercum?
>
> Yes. You win.
>
> This is why I answered "yes and no" to question 2. He appears in the
> narrative by virtue of being dead. Silly of me? Perhaps, but I took the
> question quite literally. The parson of Oakley was not, at the time of
> the
> part of the narrative concerning him, a living animal. However, answering
> "no" to the question, while technically being accurate, would effectively
> be a lie. For the next many questions you would most likely have been
> looking for anything from a leathern shield to a severed skull.
> Of course, I could instead have answered "not anymore", but this would
> have given away too much in a single question. A pseudo-zen riddle suited
> me better.
> <go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes>

Indeed. Heh. All right, I'll post my question. it will be an easy one, so
everybody can relax.

Öjevind
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