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Morgoth's Curse

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:47 pm
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I thought it might be fun (and hopefully start a bit of discussion) to
compile a list of questions which, to the best of our knowledge,
cannot be answered (either because Tolkien never mentioned it or ever
thought of the matter.) Duplicate questions will eventually be weeded
out and the list will, if he agrees, be added to Troel's website in
the future. If we discover that a question has actually been answered
by Tolkien, then it will be removed from the list.

I'll launch the list with five questions. Feel free to add as many as
occur to you!

1. What were the names of Queen Beruthiel's nine cats?
2. How many levels did Moria actually have? (Only seven levels are
mentioned, but it seems to be implied that many more were delved.)
3. How many years did it actually take to build and delve Menegroth?
4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)
5. How many Eagles actually fought in the Battle of Five Armies?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:52 pm
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:

> 4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
> which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
> described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)

According to Thor Heyerdahl, there are various kinds of primitive boats
such as:

(a) bundled reeds
(b) logs
(c) rafts made out of (b)
(d) hollowed out logs
(e) framework covered in wood/fabric/hides

I think (a) can be ruled out. There's no equivalent to Lake Chad
or Titicaca in the Shire.

(b), (c) and (d) -- maybe this is why the Old Forest is so upset;
its trees were cut down for boats.

That leaves (e). Maybe the Brandybucks use a smaller version
of this boat:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:JWW_TheLadyOfShallot_1888.jpg

SQ

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:25 am
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"Sean_Q_" skrev i meddelelsen


> According to Thor Heyerdahl, there are various kinds of primitive boats
> such as:

> (a) bundled reeds
> (b) logs
> (c) rafts made out of (b)
> (d) hollowed out logs
> (e) framework covered in wood/fabric/hides

[...]

> That leaves (e). Maybe the Brandybucks use a smaller version
> of this boat:

> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:JWW_TheLadyOfShallot_1888.jpg

I think the hobbits of the Shire would have the technology to build
little row boats with plank hulls. Coracles are also possible.

Brân.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:32 am
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"Raven" wrote in message


> I think the hobbits of the Shire would have the technology to build
> little row boats with plank hulls. Coracles are also possible.
>
> Brân.

Now speculate as to the "little boat" that Gollum had under the mountain ??

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:33 am
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"Morgoth's Curse" wrote in message

> I'll launch the list with five questions. Feel free to add as many as
> occur to you!

6. What were the names of the other 8 Nazgul ?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:33 am
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:

> 4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
> which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
> described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)

You missed coracles, which iirc is what Deagol and Smeagol used.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:34 am
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Sean_Q_ wrote:

> Morgoth's Curse wrote:
>
>> 4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
>> which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
>> described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)
>
> According to Thor Heyerdahl, there are various kinds of primitive boats
> such as:
>
> (a) bundled reeds
> (b) logs
> (c) rafts made out of (b)
> (d) hollowed out logs
> (e) framework covered in wood/fabric/hides
>
> I think (a) can be ruled out. There's no equivalent to Lake Chad
> or Titicaca in the Shire.

Nevertheless, bullrushes grow everywhere.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:25 am
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"Clams Canino" skrev i meddelelsen


> Now speculate as to the "little boat" that Gollum had under the mountain
> ??

A coracle made from bones and hides of goblins, only the Professor was
too kind to mention this?

Rabe.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:25 am
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"Morgoth's Curse" wrote in message

>I thought it might be fun (and hopefully start a bit of discussion) to
> compile a list of questions which, to the best of our knowledge,
> cannot be answered (either because Tolkien never mentioned it or ever
> thought of the matter.) Duplicate questions will eventually be weeded
> out and the list will, if he agrees, be added to Troel's website in
> the future. If we discover that a question has actually been answered
> by Tolkien, then it will be removed from the list.
>
> I'll launch the list with five questions. Feel free to add as many as
> occur to you!
>
> 1. What were the names of Queen Beruthiel's nine cats?
> 2. How many levels did Moria actually have? (Only seven levels are
> mentioned, but it seems to be implied that many more were delved.)
> 3. How many years did it actually take to build and delve Menegroth?
> 4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
> which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
> described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)
> 5. How many Eagles actually fought in the Battle of Five Armies?
>
> Morgoth's Curse

1) Were there black hobbits? If so, were they known as African-Hobbitonians?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:45 pm
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BaJoRi wrote:

> 1) Were there black hobbits? If so, were they known as
> African-Hobbitonians?

No, the Black Hobbits were the ones who established their dwellings
in Middle Earth during the years of Sauron's domination and worshiped
him, becoming enamoured of evil knowledge.

SQ
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:02 pm
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:33:11 -0500, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

>
>"Morgoth's Curse" wrote in message
>
>> I'll launch the list with five questions. Feel free to add as many as
>> occur to you!
>
>6. What were the names of the other 8 Nazgul ?
>
7. Which of the Nazgul was the first to receive his ring from Sauron?
8. Did Elrond actively participate in the construction of Rivendell
or did he merely supervise it?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:25 am
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Raven wrote:

>> Now speculate as to the "little boat" that Gollum had under the
>> mountain ??
>
> A coracle made from bones and hides of goblins, only the Professor was
> too kind to mention this?

<Smaug>
Hey, who stole my safari hat?
</Smaug>

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:52 am
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:33:16 -0300, Derek Broughton
wrote:

>Morgoth's Curse wrote:
>
>> 4. What sort of boats did the Brandybucks use? (Only the raft on
>> which Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine is actually
>> described. Were the other boats skiffs, rowboats, or barges?)
>
>You missed coracles, which iirc is what Deagol and Smeagol used.

I just have trouble believing that any community sufficiently advanced
that can manufacture clocks, mills and umbrellas would rely on
something as primitive and unsafe as a coracle. It is not as though
wooden plank boats were unknown in Middle-earth. Arnor had been a
Numenorean kingdom while it still existed and the men of Esgaroth
certainly used such boats.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:52 am
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:

> I just have trouble believing that any community sufficiently advanced
> that can manufacture clocks, mills and umbrellas would rely on
> something as primitive and unsafe as a coracle.

They're still used in Wales because (a) the Welsh are extremely
traditional in their habits or (b) the coracle is the best boat design
for use on their waters. In fact the coracle styles vary between
rivers in Wales.

Also, I suppose the Welsh are capable of manufacturing clocks, mills
and umbrellas (it does rain there) but I have no trouble believing
they use coracles. In fact here's an example of advanced Welsh
technology:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Trike.14.arp.jpg

SQ
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:48 pm
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Sean_Q_ wrote:
> Morgoth's Curse wrote:
>
>> I just have trouble believing that any community sufficiently advanced
>> that can manufacture clocks, mills and umbrellas would rely on
>> something as primitive and unsafe as a coracle.
>
>
> They're still used in Wales because (a) the Welsh are extremely
> traditional in their habits or (b) the coracle is the best boat design
> for use on their waters. In fact the coracle styles vary between
> rivers in Wales.
>
> Also, I suppose the Welsh are capable of manufacturing clocks, mills
> and umbrellas (it does rain there) but I have no trouble believing
> they use coracles. In fact here's an example of advanced Welsh

I confess to having an image of Bilbo's parents punting on the Cam....er
Brandywine...completely inaccurate of course, but there ya go
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