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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:07 pm
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"calvin" wrote in message
On Oct 21, 1:20 pm, "BaJoRi" wrote:
> "calvin" wrote:
> On Oct 20, 9:07 pm, Kunochan wrote:
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> > 11. Did Arwen really wait 3,000 years, not having any romantic
> > entanglements, and marry while still a virgin? What about Aragorn, did
> > he lose his virginity at 80?
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> >Maybe after affairs with 1000 elves she had had enough
> >of male perfection, and decided to try something else.\
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> Do you really need someone to give you a definition of the whole "virgin"
> thing?
>I don't recall Tolkien ever telling us that Arwen was a virgin.
No, but I think it's implied. In most faery tales "the princess" in
question is usually depicted as chaste and awaiting her "true love" (tm).
No reason to believe Arwen was different.
Time passes differetly for elves, to some degree.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:25 pm
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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
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> "calvin" wrote in message
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> On Oct 21, 1:20 pm, "BaJoRi" wrote:
>> "calvin" wrote:
>> On Oct 20, 9:07 pm, Kunochan wrote:
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>> > 11. Did Arwen really wait 3,000 years, not having any romantic
>> > entanglements, and marry while still a virgin? What about Aragorn, did
>> > he lose his virginity at 80?
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>> >Maybe after affairs with 1000 elves she had had enough
>> >of male perfection, and decided to try something else.\
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>> Do you really need someone to give you a definition of the whole "virgin"
>> thing?
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>>I don't recall Tolkien ever telling us that Arwen was a virgin.
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> No, but I think it's implied. In most faery tales "the princess" in
> question is usually depicted as chaste and awaiting her "true love" (tm).
> No reason to believe Arwen was different.
> Time passes differetly for elves, to some degree.
>
> -W
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So the question becomes: Did Arwen "plump the pudding", so to speak.
I doubt this is where the thread was intended to go, but there you have it.
As to someone's questions about the green stone that Bombadil pocketed, I
would not doubt in the slightest that there was a story around it, that
either hasn't seen the light of day or was destroyed. I would be curious as
to what Tolkien would have done with it though. |
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:17 pm
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On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Alan Nordin" wrote:
> Smaug was so paranoid that he had to sleep on his treasure. Do you really
> think he would have left it!
It wasn't paranoia. Lying on their hoarded treasure is what
dragons do. Glaurung did it too, for a while, on the treasure
of Nargothrond. >> Stay informed about: 500 Unanswerable Questions About Middle-earth |
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:27 pm
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Smaug was so paranoid that he had to sleep on his treasure. Do you really
think he would have left it!
"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
> Morgoth's Curse wrote:
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>> 10. Why didn't Smaug ever attack the dwarves living in the Iron
>> Hills?
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> Shouldn't that be "did Smaug ever attack the dwarves living in the Iron
> Hills?"
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> I don't think we know he _never_ attacked them. Obviously, he never
> defeated them as he did the dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
> --
> derek >> Stay informed about: 500 Unanswerable Questions About Middle-earth |
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:50 am
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Glaurung was a special case, he was directly under Morgoth's control, there
to further the curse on Hurin.
In UT "The Quest of Erebor" Gandalf is talking to Thorin. _You may be sure
that he explores his hall day by day, night by night, until he is sure that
no faintest air of a Dwarf is near, before he goes to his sleep: his
half-sleep, prick-eared for the sound of - Dwarf-feet._ Paranoid may not be
the correct word, his fears were well founded, but it took 171 years before
the dwarves came back {2770 ta - 2941 ta}. 171 years of sleepless nights?
maybe paranoid is the correct word!
Alan 
I just love it when I talk about this stuff like it really happened!
"calvin" wrote in message
On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Alan Nordin" wrote:
> Smaug was so paranoid that he had to sleep on his treasure. Do you really
> think he would have left it!
It wasn't paranoia. Lying on their hoarded treasure is what
dragons do. Glaurung did it too, for a while, on the treasure
of Nargothrond. >> Stay informed about: 500 Unanswerable Questions About Middle-earth |
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:13 am
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:46 am
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:25 pm
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"Alan Nordin" wrote in message
> Smaug was so paranoid that he had to sleep on his treasure. Do you really
> think he would have left it!
People always project their own fallibilities and character flaws on to
others. For all his being a dragon, he still had a human-like personality.
So sleepingon his treasure is natural, as he ascribes his motives for
thievery on to others, and wishes to protect what was his.
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> "Derek Broughton" wrote in message
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>> Morgoth's Curse wrote:
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>>> 10. Why didn't Smaug ever attack the dwarves living in the Iron
>>> Hills?
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>> Shouldn't that be "did Smaug ever attack the dwarves living in the Iron
>> Hills?"
>>
>> I don't think we know he _never_ attacked them. Obviously, he never
>> defeated them as he did the dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
>> --
>> derek
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:54 pm
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On Oct 22, 5:32 pm, "Clams Canino" wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
> > As I said before, gathering their hoards into a heap and
> > lying upon them is something that dragons do.
> Yes they do.
> Because they are posessive and afraid of theft.
> After all THEY stole it to begin with.
What you say is true, but the way a dragon *enjoys* its
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:25 pm
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:25 pm
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:32 pm
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:53 pm
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calvin wrote:
> On Oct 21, 1:20 pm, "BaJoRi" wrote:
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>>"calvin" wrote:
>>On Oct 20, 9:07 pm, Kunochan wrote:
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>>>11. Did Arwen really wait 3,000 years, not having any romantic
>>>entanglements, and marry while still a virgin? What about Aragorn, did
>>>he lose his virginity at 80?
>>
>>>Maybe after affairs with 1000 elves she had had enough
>>>of male perfection, and decided to try something else.\
>>
>>Do you really need someone to give you a definition of the whole "virgin"
>>thing?
>
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> I don't recall Tolkien ever telling us that Arwen was a virgin.
But he does tell us that elves generally mate for life. >> Stay informed about: 500 Unanswerable Questions About Middle-earth |
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:25 pm
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"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
> Alan Nordin wrote:
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>> Smaug was so paranoid that he had to sleep on his treasure. Do you really
>> think he would have left it!
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> Not only would he, he had to. He lived in "the Desolation of Smaug" -
> finding a nice moose for breakfast would take him a long way afield.
> --
> derek
In the original draft, Sarah Palin shoots a moose from a helicopter and they
airlift it to Smaug...That Tolkien, what a forward thinker. >> Stay informed about: 500 Unanswerable Questions About Middle-earth |
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:25 pm
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