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tcerrato

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:00 pm
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"Scott Beeler" wrote in message

> Paul Walker wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:46:05 -0400, Anthony Cerrato
wrote:
> >
> > > Welll...there's really nothing that can compare to the
culture, but 2 damn
> > > good SF reads would be Greg Bear's masterpieces, Queen
of Angels and his
> > > Anvil of Stars (sequel to Forge of God, but the first
few pps. can fill
> >
> > While those are good books, you've forgotten to mention
Blood Work, which is
> > probably one of the best things he's done. Wink
>
> YM _Blood Music_.

Yes, Blood Music is indeed an early and great work.
Actually, there are very few Bear books I didn't care for so
much (the more recent ones like "Dead Lines," "Vitals,"
"Darwin's Radio," and Darwin's Children.") I think he still
remains my all time favorite author though--let's see...I
mentioned "Queen of Angels," and "Anvil of Stars," but his
books "Eon" and "Eternity" are also masterworks of the
highest order...also "Moving Mars," and the prequel and
sequel to QoA, "Heads" and "Slant" are quite good...and many
others too. ...tonyC

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:22 pm
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"Iain D Broadfoot" wrote in
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> Mr Scummy said something:
> > In addition, can anyone recommend any other SF books or
series that
> > might also appeal to a Banks/Culture fan?
>
> I picked up M. John Harrison's 'Light' on the basis of the
> following quote on the front:
>
> "'Light is brilliant' Iain M. Banks"
>
> and I love it. I'm also reading his 'Viriconium'
collection,
> which I'm thoroughly enjoying.
>
> I think he should definitely appeal to Banks fans.
>
> cheers,
> iain

Thanx for the tip Iain--Sounds intriguing! I'll pick it up
and give it a try soon...I gather from Amazon though that
his 'Viriconium' collection is fantasy rather than SF,
right? ...tonyC

> --
> "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not
> rightly owned if it is not shared." -- St. Augustine
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:24 am
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Anthony Cerrato said something:
> Thanx for the tip Iain--Sounds intriguing! I'll pick it up
> and give it a try soon...I gather from Amazon though that
> his 'Viriconium' collection is fantasy rather than SF,
> right? ...tonyC

Technically, yes: but it's quite genre-less really.

iain

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:36 pm
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"Iain D Broadfoot" wrote in
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> Anthony Cerrato said something:
> > Thanx for the tip Iain--Sounds intriguing! I'll pick it
up
> > and give it a try soon...I gather from Amazon though
that
> > his 'Viriconium' collection is fantasy rather than SF,
> > right? ...tonyC
>
> Technically, yes: but it's quite genre-less really.

> iain

Hmmm...guess I'll hafta pass then (already have 4 large book
boxes of unread SF books waiting. Smile) Guess I'll always be
mainly a SF guy--even though I consistantly read The Mag. of
F and SF from 1950 into the '80s and when younger bought
every pulp mag that there ever was, regardless. Just not
enuf time and eyesight
for that anymore though. Thanks again Iain,
....tonyC

> --
> "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not
> rightly owned if it is not shared." -- St. Augustine
> #rm -rf /
> http://www.geeksoc.org/
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:00 pm
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"Anthony Cerrato" wrote in message

>
> "Iain D Broadfoot" wrote in
> message
>

> > Anthony Cerrato said something:
> > > Thanx for the tip Iain--Sounds intriguing! I'll pick
it
> up
> > > and give it a try soon...I gather from Amazon though
> that
> > > his 'Viriconium' collection is fantasy rather than SF,
> > > right? ...tonyC
> >
> > Technically, yes: but it's quite genre-less really.
>
> > iain
>
> Hmmm...guess I'll hafta pass then (already have 4 large
book
> boxes of unread SF books waiting. Smile) Guess I'll always be
> mainly a SF guy--even though I consistantly read The Mag.
of
> F and SF from 1950 into the '80s and when younger bought
> every pulp mag that there ever was, regardless. Just not
> enuf time and eyesight
> for that anymore though. Thanks again Iain,
> ...tonyC
>
> > --
> > "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not
> > rightly owned if it is not shared." -- St. Augustine
> > #rm -rf /
> > http://www.geeksoc.org/

BTW, I meant to mention that I have just started on reading
some Neal Asher (The Line of Polity, Gridlinked, The
Skinner, Cowl etc.) and though I haven't gotten too far, I
am finding him very reminiscent of Iain Banks (maybe a
little more a fan of the far out
tech stuff.) Not too bad I think. ...tonyC
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Steve Greenland

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:09 pm
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(Yeah, I'm coming in *way* late on this thread)

> Rob Stow wrote:
>
> > I am astounded that anybody would put William Gibson's "Neuromancer" on
> > a top 10 list. I've only got about 400 SF books but out of those there
> > are only a handful that I wouldn't rate higher than Neuromancer.
> >
> > A few SF books no one else has mentioned that I have enjoyed a lot include:
> >
> > "Emerald Eyes" and "The Last Dancer" by Daniel Keys Moran
> >
> > "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "I Will Fear no Evil" by Heinlein

Hmmm, I'm astounded that anyone would rate _IWFnE_ higher than
_Neuromancer_. Tastes will vary....

Anyway, along the line of books for Banks fans, I'm currently reading
_Revelation Space_ by Alastair Reynolds, and while it is in no way
a duplicate of IMB's work, I think it might appeal. Reviews:

http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/revspace.htm (Non fiction?)

http://www.sfsite.com/10b/rs114.htm

Steve




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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world. -- seen on the net
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:18 pm
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"Steve Greenland" wrote in message

> (Yeah, I'm coming in *way* late on this thread)
>
> > Rob Stow wrote:
> >
> > > I am astounded that anybody would put William Gibson's
"Neuromancer" on
> > > a top 10 list. I've only got about 400 SF books but
out of those there
> > > are only a handful that I wouldn't rate higher than
Neuromancer.
> > >
> > > A few SF books no one else has mentioned that I have
enjoyed a lot include:
> > >
> > > "Emerald Eyes" and "The Last Dancer" by Daniel Keys
Moran
> > >
> > > "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "I Will Fear no Evil"
by Heinlein
>
> Hmmm, I'm astounded that anyone would rate _IWFnE_ higher
than
> _Neuromancer_. Tastes will vary....
>
> Anyway, along the line of books for Banks fans, I'm
currently reading
> _Revelation Space_ by Alastair Reynolds, and while it is
in no way
> a duplicate of IMB's work, I think it might appeal.
Reviews:
>
> http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/revspace.htm
(Non fiction?)
>
> http://www.sfsite.com/10b/rs114.htm
>
> Steve


Yep! All of Reynold's work is about next in my "to read"
book box pile. I have read many good things 'bout him.
....tonyC

> --
> Steve Greenland
> The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a
stable operating
> system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take
over the
> world. -- seen on the net
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Lapsed Pacifist

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:52 pm
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Loz wrote in


> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:38:44 -0500, the trouble really kicked off when
> Rocky Frisco said:
>
>>Rob Stow wrote:
>>
>>> MS wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also see here for Banks's own 'Top 10 SF' book list.
>>>> http://www.i-dig.info/culture/culturefaq.html#RECOMMENDS
>>>
>>>
>>> I am astounded that anybody would put William Gibson's "Neuromancer"
>>> on a top 10 list. I've only got about 400 SF books but out of those
>>> there are only a handful that I wouldn't rate higher than
>>> Neuromancer.
>>>
>>> A few SF books no one else has mentioned that I have enjoyed a lot
>>> include:
>>>
>>> "Emerald Eyes" and "The Last Dancer" by Daniel Keys Moran
>>>
>>> "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "I Will Fear no Evil" by Heinlein
>>>
>>> "Glory", Alfred Coppel
>>>
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but I don't want to spend all day here ...
>>
>>May I add one here? One of my all-time favorites is "Emphyrio," by
>>Jack Vance.
>>
>>-Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com
>
> Guilty secret - I really enjoyed Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn
> trilogy, and his "Pandora's Star" is an intriguing first half of a
> two-parter (second half due out soon, I believe , "Judas Unchained").
>
> Not in Banks' league, but a rip-roaring read with some fascinating
> ideas, all the same.
>
> I'll get me coat.
> --
> Loz {Smile>
> GCU Ducati 999

I'm afraid I to will have to agree with you there Loz. I just finished
Pandora's Star and I couldn't put it down. It's a totally different kind
of read to Banks, but very entertaining nevertheless.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:08 am
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In article ,
Mr Scummy wrote:

>
> In addition, can anyone recommend any other SF books or series that
> might also appeal to a Banks/Culture fan?

One that comes to mind is Glen Cook's _The Dragon Never Sleeps_, which
is OOP & a bit hard to find, but worth the effort.

Quoting myself, from an old rasfw post:

"A/A+". Big, wide-screen space opera with all the trimmings: political
intrigue, cool aliens, BIG space battleships (some explode!),
near-immortal protagonists, a galaxy-spanning rapid-transit system,
wonderful names (eg the Dire Radiant, a rebel fleet)...

This was a reread, and it still kept me up til 1:30 AM. Very fine book,
right up there with the very best BIG space-operas. And with a definite
EMB feel to it, in places.

OK, here's Chad Orzel's fine review:
http://www.steelypips.org/library/Dragon.html
"Any attempt to summarize the plot would ruin it, but there are enough
twists, turns, and blind alleys to keep the reader off-balance to the
very end."

Truly not to be missed, if you're a fan of this sort of thing. OOP, but
Amazon etc have copies at semi-reasonable prices. Never reprinted
SFAICT. GET THIS BOOK BACK IN PRINT!

Happy reading--
Pete Tillman
Book Reviews: http://www.sfsite.com/revwho.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-reviews/-/A3GHSD9VY8XS4Q/
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk//nonfiction/reviews.htm
Google "Peter D. Tillman" +review for many more!
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:34 pm
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005, Peter D. Tillman announced authoritatively:
> --from a post to rasfw [google groups]
> Message-ID:

Oh, that's a lovely possibility. A universe populated principally by
self-reproducing killers that do the following when they enter an
arbitrary populated stellar system:

0) convince the crew that this system is the `enemy system',
by means of faked displays and misdirection.
1) split quietly in two (the crew don't notice; the ship has a lot
of matter stored which the crew think is fake, and it uses more
misdirection to conceal the evidence of reproduction and signs
of the retreating ship). Let's call the copies `sucker baby' and
`punch'. The crew end up entirely on `punch'.
2) `punch' does what we saw the `bad guys' in FoG do: vape the
worlds; it kills them off faster the more advanced the tech level
of the resident species, so that the residents can't retaliate in
time. In addition to dropping worldkillers it drops devices that
construct `evidence' that this was an `enemy system', for later.
It doesn't tell the crew it's doing the latter, but finds that
evidence with much fanfare, later on. (Alternate possibility:
it never constructs `evidence' at al, but just fakes it with
faked displays and misdirection.)
3) `sucker baby' runs around, hidden from `punch's crew by `punch',
`rescuing' people so as to have a supply of crews for future
`punch' copies. Then it produces a transformed `punch', and, oh
look, it's one or more Ships of the Law, aka crewed future `punch'
copies. (Probably it also makes copies that have no crews, but
those copies might have a lower chance of survival, so it makes
sense to make Ships of the Law if possible: see below.)

There is, of course, no confederation of stellar systems backing up the
`Law': all we have is a massively ramified network of killer probes,
swapping data over kiloyear periods in order to build more convincing
faked displays to fool their crews.

You only need to discard the very last paragraph or two of _Anvil of
Stars_, which is not plausible anyway (who was listening?) and
suddenly all of this works.

The only thing is I'm not sure if this is evolutionarily stable; if the
crews don't contribute much the cycle will tend to simplify down to
simple self-repliating planet-killers. But in _Anvil of Stars_ we hear
about the crew (well, one member of it) contributing: they provide a
spark of creative genius that the self-replicating killers cannot
themselves provide, making it more likely that a self-replicating killer
attacking a high-tech world will survive the attack intact enough to
reproduce. This is stable if and only if there are a *lot* of high-
tech worlds out there, as opposed to places like Earth.

So yes, this scenario provides the moronic aliens that the thread you
referenced complained about: but they're *using their victims to become
smart*. And their makers, well, their makers probably built them as
war machines, long ago, and soon became victims in turn.

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of a book whose author one wishes to insult.' --- Richard Dawkins
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