Arrrggh!!

In article <48792bb9$1@news.bnb-lp.com>,
Bookwyrm <Bookwyrm RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> (Far off in the distance you can hear the sound of mutters, grumbles and
> teeth gnashing.)
> I'm finally getting around to at least *starting* to enter my boxes and
> boxes of books in the software I bought 3-4 years ago. Almost all the
> newer books can be entered by scanning the barcode on the back of the
> book. Then the program goes out on the internet and grabs all the info
> it needs from places like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. and dumps that
> into the database.
> I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
> It's driving me bonkers. I've looked high and low in the mess that is
> our storage area in the basement and haven't found hide nor hair of them
> so far. And I *absolutely* know that if I go and buy replacement
> copies, the originals will show up within weeks.
> **Sigh**
> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....
>
> a truly frustrated 'wyrm

If you happen upon the dimension where they've hidden themselves, keep
an eye for my missing books, too My daughter is reading A Wrinkle in
Time, and the second book has vanished from the shelf.

Edna


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On 7/12/2008 12:10 PM, Bookwyrm wrote:
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
> **Sigh**
> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....
>
> a truly frustrated 'wyrm
>
I've done that even *with* cataloging! (Okay, where'd /A Hat Full of
Sky/ go?)

What's even more frustrating is when you just *know* you saw the blasted
title just the other day, while you were looking for/reading something else!

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BTDT, got the duplicate books and DVD's to prove it. I keep promising
to catalog my stuff in my spare time (Yeah, right...spare time!!???
what's that???+) If I can't return them, I take the spares up to our
cabin. BTW, what program did you get to catalog them? Scanning
barcodes sounds a LOT easier than entering everything by hand. Even
if it only works on half of my stuff it would be great.

Snowfire
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Bookwyrm wrote:
> (Far off in the distance you can hear the sound of mutters, grumbles and
> teeth gnashing.)
> I'm finally getting around to at least *starting* to enter my boxes and
> boxes of books in the software I bought 3-4 years ago. Almost all the
> newer books can be entered by scanning the barcode on the back of the
> book. Then the program goes out on the internet and grabs all the info
> it needs from places like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. and dumps that
> into the database.
> I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
> It's driving me bonkers. I've looked high and low in the mess that is
> our storage area in the basement and haven't found hide nor hair of them
> so far. And I *absolutely* know that if I go and buy replacement
> copies, the originals will show up within weeks.
> **Sigh**
> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....
>
> a truly frustrated 'wyrm
>

Yep, been there too. It seems like every time we go to reread some
series or another, at least one book will go missing. I paid an
exorbitant amount for an apparently rare copy of Don Callendar's
Geomancer, because I loved the series and it was missing from Jesse's
collection when I got to it, despite him swearing he'd had them all. We
looked for months, and then it showed up something like 2 days after we
finally broke down bought the replacement.

And no matter how many times we go through the shelves and cull out the
extra copies to go to the Used Book store, every time we straighten out
the alphabetization, we find more duplicates. I think Book 7 of Series
X morphs into a duplicate copy of Book 5 when we're not looking.


Or the Apes have been messing with us all.

Kat
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"victoreia" <inkypaws.TakeThisOut@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Bookwyrm wrote:
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>> **Sigh**
>> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
>> sending some my way....

>> a truly frustrated 'wyrm

> What's even more frustrating is when you just *know* you saw the blasted
> title just the other day, while you were looking for/reading something
> else!

Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking for
a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical hardback
(Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly dated
compendium of basic info about the protocol) that I promised to loan to my
department head after she expressed irritation about not being as familiar
with networking as she would like to be.

Sadly, my most recent recollection of seeing the book was the last time I
tried to clean up the mountain ranges of books that pile up on my floor, so
I probably put it in some corner that was an obvious choice then but which
today I consider to be not at all a likely hiding place for it.

Joe Morris
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Kat Hein wrote:
I paid an
> exorbitant amount for an apparently rare copy of Don Callendar's
> Geomancer, because I loved the series
> Kat

That was a pretty good series. Too bad he isn't writing them any more.
I thought Pyromancer was the best, but they were all good. I especially
liked the way that Myrn cleaned up the places she wound up in.

Good Reading,
Bill
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Joe Morris wrote:
> "victoreia" <inkypaws.TakeThisOut@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Bookwyrm wrote:
>>[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>
>>>**Sigh**
>>>If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
>>>sending some my way....
>
>>>a truly frustrated 'wyrm
>
>>What's even more frustrating is when you just *know* you saw the blasted
>>title just the other day, while you were looking for/reading something
>>else!
>
> Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking for
> a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical hardback
> (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly dated
> compendium of basic info about the protocol) that I promised to loan to my
> department head after she expressed irritation about not being as familiar
> with networking as she would like to be.
>
> Sadly, my most recent recollection of seeing the book was the last time I
> tried to clean up the mountain ranges of books that pile up on my floor, so
> I probably put it in some corner that was an obvious choice then but which
> today I consider to be not at all a likely hiding place for it.

Might you have taken it in to your workplace, thinking that would be a
better spot for a TCP/IP book? (I think I have another one of
Steven's TCP/IP books, though I don't think mine is illustrated.)

I've found books I thought were at home in the office, and vice versa.

I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention
tools. Any chance something like that happened?

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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
> Joe Morris wrote:

>>>[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]

>> Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>> for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>> hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly
>> dated compendium of basic info about the protocol) that I promised to
>> loan to my department head after she expressed irritation about not being
>> as familiar with networking as she would like to be.

>> Sadly, my most recent recollection of seeing the book was the last time I
>> tried to clean up the mountain ranges of books that pile up on my floor,
>> so I probably put it in some corner that was an obvious choice then but
>> which today I consider to be not at all a likely hiding place for it.

> Might you have taken it in to your workplace, thinking that would be a
> better spot for a TCP/IP book? (I think I have another one of Steven's
> TCP/IP books, though I don't think mine is illustrated.)

The "Illustrated" reference in the title is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it
does have extensive graphic illustrations of packet layout and handshake
sequences. (Volumes 2 and 3 involve applications; Volume 1 discusses only
the "pure" TCP/IP protocols.) Stevens died shortly after the book was
published in the mid-1990s and (to my surprise) nobody's picked up the
responsibility for updating it, but it's still an excellent document for
both training and reference.

(Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
instructor who can step through some of the examples.)

> I've found books I thought were at home in the office, and vice versa.

I've got so many of my own books at the office that I keep a (usually
out-of-date) list of them so that if someone borrows one I know to start
asking my cow orkers who's got it.

> I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
> as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
> something like that happened?

Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).

Joe
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Joe Morris wrote:
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>
>>Joe Morris wrote:
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>
>>>Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>>>for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly
<snip>
> The "Illustrated" reference in the title is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it
> does have extensive graphic illustrations of packet layout and handshake
> sequences. (Volumes 2 and 3 involve applications; Volume 1 discusses only
> the "pure" TCP/IP protocols.) Stevens died shortly after the book was
> published in the mid-1990s and (to my surprise) nobody's picked up the
> responsibility for updating it, but it's still an excellent document for
> both training and reference.

I probably have vol. 2 or 3. I found it useful when I was actually
doing nitty-gritty networking, but it has been quite a while. So I'm
not sure if it would be useful now.

> (Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
> who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
> approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
> experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
> instructor who can step through some of the examples.)

As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of
a reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome
to learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if
you made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.

<snip>
>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
>>as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
>>something like that happened?
>
> Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
> hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
> basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
> instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).

Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the
basement, on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?

:>

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Snowfire wrote:
> BTDT, got the duplicate books and DVD's to prove it. I keep promising
> to catalog my stuff in my spare time (Yeah, right...spare time!!???
> what's that???+) If I can't return them, I take the spares up to our
> cabin. BTW, what program did you get to catalog them? Scanning
> barcodes sounds a LOT easier than entering everything by hand. Even
> if it only works on half of my stuff it would be great.
>
> Snowfire
> Goddess of Cats


I use Readerware -- http://www.readerware.com/
I bought the three product bundle -- Readerware for books, ReaderwareAW
for CDs, and ReaderwareVW for video.
If you order the three-pack on CD (instead of just downloading it) you
can get a free CueCat scanner.
Single program is $40, three-pack bundle is $75 and if you want them on
a CD it is an extra $10.

I've been quite happy with them. (Did my videos and CDs quite a while
ago. Just have been putting off the books -- too many boxes in too many
hidey-holes!)

'wyrm
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
> Joe Morris wrote:
>> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>>Joe Morris wrote:

> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>
>>>>Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>>>>for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if
>>>>slightly
> <snip>
>> (Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
>> who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
>> approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
>> experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
>> instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
>
> As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of a
> reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome to
> learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if you
> made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.

[OT for abml (or RABBL) but what else is new here?]

I was initially pointed to Stevens' book at a "security bootcamp" class
several years ago; some of the details I could probably have taught almost
as well as the instructor, but what I got from the six days plus five nights
of the class and Stevens' book was the structure of network protocols, which
is a prerequisite to understanding their security vulnerabilities. If
anyone here has an employer that wants its staff to be more aware of
computer security issues, I'll recommend the SANS "Security Bootcamp" (see
www.sans.org ). The class is expensive (~$3700) but worth it for someone
needing to know about network-based vulnerabilities even if (as in my case)
you already know something about protocols.


> <snip>
>>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
>>>as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
>>>something like that happened?
>>
>> Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
>> hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
>> basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
>> instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
>
> Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the basement,
> on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?

That's too good a straight line to ignore.

Because if I had looked there first, it would have been somewhere else, like
behind my PC-DOS 1.1 binder that's on the floor next to the door. Welcome
to the Real World!

Joe
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Joe Morris wrote:
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>
>>Joe Morris wrote:
>>>"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>>>Joe Morris wrote:

[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if
<snip>
>>>(Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
>>>who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
>>>approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
>>>experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
>>>instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
>>
>>As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of a
>>reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome to
>>learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if you
>>made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.
>
>
> [OT for abml (or RABBL) but what else is new here?]
>
> I was initially pointed to Stevens' book at a "security bootcamp" class
> several years ago; some of the details I could probably have taught almost
> as well as the instructor, but what I got from the six days plus five nights
> of the class and Stevens' book was the structure of network protocols, which
> is a prerequisite to understanding their security vulnerabilities. If
> anyone here has an employer that wants its staff to be more aware of
> computer security issues, I'll recommend the SANS "Security Bootcamp" (see
> www.sans.org ). The class is expensive (~$3700) but worth it for someone
> needing to know about network-based vulnerabilities even if (as in my case)
> you already know something about protocols.

Now that I'm in my office, I see I own two different
networking/networking protocols textbooks by two different gentlemen
with the last name Stevens. Different first names.

Maybe you should look for newer networking books by Comer -- one of my
networking books is co-authored by Stevens and Comer. Maybe Comer
took over the franchise and updated the books.

So the SANS bootcamps are worth it? I do get regular advertisements
for them via mailing lists. I don't think either I or my employers
would be willing to pay the entry fee, however, since I don't
currently work with network security. :>

But the fact they can be useful is good trivia to know. May come in
handy sometime.

<snip>
>>>Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
>>>hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
>>>basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
>>>instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
>>
>>Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the basement,
>>on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?
>
> That's too good a straight line to ignore.
>
> Because if I had looked there first, it would have been somewhere else, like
> behind my PC-DOS 1.1 binder that's on the floor next to the door. Welcome
> to the Real World!

<g>

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"Bookwyrm" <Bookwyrm.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:48792bb9$1@news.bnb-lp.com...
> (Far off in the distance you can hear the sound of mutters, grumbles and
> teeth gnashing.)
> I'm finally getting around to at least *starting* to enter my boxes and
> boxes of books in the software I bought 3-4 years ago. Almost all the
> newer books can be entered by scanning the barcode on the back of the
> book. Then the program goes out on the internet and grabs all the info
> it needs from places like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. and dumps that
> into the database.

Congratulations on finding a good program for that, and even more for
getting around to using it on the books. {BIG SMILE}

> I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).

I've been cataloguing since high school. One of the beautiful things
about computer catalogs is that it's so easy to go back and add in
something you find later. Mind you, even card catalogs were designed to
make that as easy as possible. However, computers are even better at making
this easy than cards are. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}

> It's driving me bonkers. I've looked high and low in the mess that is
> our storage area in the basement and haven't found hide nor hair of them
> so far. And I *absolutely* know that if I go and buy replacement copies,
> the originals will show up within weeks.
> **Sigh**

Wait until you need them to replace them, or at least until you've run
out of books. You'll be surprised at how many turn up in the meantime,
often in the most unexpected places. {SMILE}

> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....

Oh, I'm sending as many as I can. {SMILE}

> a truly frustrated 'wyrm

{sympathetic smile, HUGS, SQUEEZES}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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