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ibshambat

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:01 am
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What many people do not understand about clean energy is that it is a
major economic boon to any country that would embrace it. The clean
energy technologies - wind power, solar power, coal sequestration,
hydrogen engines, sun-beam technology - are all brain-intensive,
technology-intensive industries. Which means that they will directly
create millions of jobs - engineering and technology jobs to develop
the technologies, and manufacturing and construction jobs to put them
in place. And that will be an effective way to put back to work the
parts of America that have taken a hit from displacement of industry
to other countries.

It is also a way to wrest the world free of the stranglehold exercised
by oil-funded fundamentalists in Texas, Oklahoma, Iran and Saudi
Arabia, as well as dictators in Venezuela, Lybia and Kazakhstan. With
energy production no longer under control of oppressors, there are
stronger economical foundations for liberty in all of the world,
including in what is known as the free world. With vital resources not
under control of despots and fundamentalists, there is less change of
free world being sabotaged, as it has been sabotaged by Texas Oil's
puppet regime.

Clean energy is also a way to extend humanity's lease on the planet.
It is true progress: Affectuating greater utility with higher
technology and less waste. The prosperous lifestyle can be maintained,
while significantly reducing its negative effects, simply by changing
the sources of energy to ones that are non-polluting and by removing
the polluting elements from existing sources. The economic growth in
China, India and elsewhere can be accommodated - by applying
intelligence to use clean energy and to reduce carbon dioxide
emissions from current sources.

Clean energy is also a boon for character and thought habits that it
fosters. Instead of seeing world as one in which it is jobs against
the environment or civilization against nature, choose one or the
other, the thinking turns to jobs and environment, civilization and
nature, together: Accommodate both at once by creating jobs that
produce wealth in a more prudent and more responsible way. Instead of
people having to be fragmented between social responsibility and
wealth, nature and civilization, feeling and intellect, ideal and
reality, instead they become beings of both, and making the most of
the aspects of human beingness that are in false dualistic thinking
seen to be irrevocably at war. And this serves both the integration of
human character as much as it serves longevity and economic well-being
of humankind.

Clean energy is a solution that uses the best of civilization - its
intelligence, its foresight, its knowledge, its inventive pioneering
thinking - to minimize negative impact of economic activity on nature
and on the future generations, while providing through ingenuity and
constructive endeavor a lifestyle as good as or better than one that
they've had before. Man stops being an agent of destruction of nature
and becomes an agent of coexistence with nature, both in the short and
the long term. The people who for idealistic reasons are loathe to
participate in oil-run economy, have an economic pursuit in which they
can work and be true to ideals. And intelligence becomes source not
merely of wealth, but of lasting wealth that works with nature rather
than against nature - and that as such benefits and makes the most of
both nature and mankind.

The mentality fostered is one of considering all aspects of one's
activity - and building a civilization that not only minimizes
negative impact on nature, but also applies the best of intelligence
and the best of innovation and the best of productive activity to
provide more for people while minimizing impact on what one has not
created and cannot recreate. From modes of cognition that constantly
create hostile dualities which necessitate constant destruction, human
understanding reaches to see components working together and put into
place a lifestyle that makes the most of all the components and makes
the most as such of life.

The character created is a life-supporting integrative character: A
character that quantifies all aspects of life and works to make the
most of them - to make the most as such of life that is a function of
all of the aspects working together. Intellect and feeling,
civilization and nature, ideal and reality, prosperity and social
responsibility, work together and create people of true integrity -
integrity that is result of integration of components required for
life, and that as such is supportive of life rather than life-
destructive. Which character, by building a synergy of components,
attains to the most of human beingness; and which character, due to
its very nature as a combiner and unifier, is also the character that
seeks and actualizes lasting existence and lasting peace.

All of which is a matter of all components of life working together to
create and perpetuate life, both in its natural and its man-made
aspects, and allowing them to operate with each other at basic and all
other levels, rather than being, as in all separationist dogmas,
inherently and pointlessly at war.

Clean energy is good all around. It is good economically, it is good
politically, it is good and it is good for the character and mentality
that it fosters, and it is good in its effects on the world. The
extent to which clean energy is embraced, will determine who lives and
for how long. In 200 AD, a Roman named Hero of Alexandria invented the
steam engine. The Romans refused to use it because they thought the
slave labor was cheap enough for their purposes. This oversight led
Roman Empire to decline and eventually to fall to Vandals. If the
Romans had realized what they had, they would have industrialized 1700
years before the Industrial Revolution and would have been completely
invulnerable, and most likely the world would be speaking Latin even
to this day.

In choosing whether to embrace clean energy, the world at this time
faces an analogous choice.

Ilya Shambat
June 2008
http://www.myspace.com/ibshambat
http://ibshambat7.blogspot.com

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Very good. The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to create
not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
Transmission Network.

Details at:

www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm

Cheers,

Arindam Banerjee


<ibshambat DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What many people do not understand about clean energy is that it is a
> major economic boon to any country that would embrace it. The clean
> energy technologies - wind power, solar power, coal sequestration,
> hydrogen engines, sun-beam technology - are all brain-intensive,
> technology-intensive industries. Which means that they will directly
> create millions of jobs - engineering and technology jobs to develop
> the technologies, and manufacturing and construction jobs to put them
> in place. And that will be an effective way to put back to work the
> parts of America that have taken a hit from displacement of industry
> to other countries.
>
> It is also a way to wrest the world free of the stranglehold exercised
> by oil-funded fundamentalists in Texas, Oklahoma, Iran and Saudi
> Arabia, as well as dictators in Venezuela, Lybia and Kazakhstan. With
> energy production no longer under control of oppressors, there are
> stronger economical foundations for liberty in all of the world,
> including in what is known as the free world. With vital resources not
> under control of despots and fundamentalists, there is less change of
> free world being sabotaged, as it has been sabotaged by Texas Oil's
> puppet regime.
>
> Clean energy is also a way to extend humanity's lease on the planet.
> It is true progress: Affectuating greater utility with higher
> technology and less waste. The prosperous lifestyle can be maintained,
> while significantly reducing its negative effects, simply by changing
> the sources of energy to ones that are non-polluting and by removing
> the polluting elements from existing sources. The economic growth in
> China, India and elsewhere can be accommodated - by applying
> intelligence to use clean energy and to reduce carbon dioxide
> emissions from current sources.
>
> Clean energy is also a boon for character and thought habits that it
> fosters. Instead of seeing world as one in which it is jobs against
> the environment or civilization against nature, choose one or the
> other, the thinking turns to jobs and environment, civilization and
> nature, together: Accommodate both at once by creating jobs that
> produce wealth in a more prudent and more responsible way. Instead of
> people having to be fragmented between social responsibility and
> wealth, nature and civilization, feeling and intellect, ideal and
> reality, instead they become beings of both, and making the most of
> the aspects of human beingness that are in false dualistic thinking
> seen to be irrevocably at war. And this serves both the integration of
> human character as much as it serves longevity and economic well-being
> of humankind.
>
> Clean energy is a solution that uses the best of civilization - its
> intelligence, its foresight, its knowledge, its inventive pioneering
> thinking - to minimize negative impact of economic activity on nature
> and on the future generations, while providing through ingenuity and
> constructive endeavor a lifestyle as good as or better than one that
> they've had before. Man stops being an agent of destruction of nature
> and becomes an agent of coexistence with nature, both in the short and
> the long term. The people who for idealistic reasons are loathe to
> participate in oil-run economy, have an economic pursuit in which they
> can work and be true to ideals. And intelligence becomes source not
> merely of wealth, but of lasting wealth that works with nature rather
> than against nature - and that as such benefits and makes the most of
> both nature and mankind.
>
> The mentality fostered is one of considering all aspects of one's
> activity - and building a civilization that not only minimizes
> negative impact on nature, but also applies the best of intelligence
> and the best of innovation and the best of productive activity to
> provide more for people while minimizing impact on what one has not
> created and cannot recreate. From modes of cognition that constantly
> create hostile dualities which necessitate constant destruction, human
> understanding reaches to see components working together and put into
> place a lifestyle that makes the most of all the components and makes
> the most as such of life.
>
> The character created is a life-supporting integrative character: A
> character that quantifies all aspects of life and works to make the
> most of them - to make the most as such of life that is a function of
> all of the aspects working together. Intellect and feeling,
> civilization and nature, ideal and reality, prosperity and social
> responsibility, work together and create people of true integrity -
> integrity that is result of integration of components required for
> life, and that as such is supportive of life rather than life-
> destructive. Which character, by building a synergy of components,
> attains to the most of human beingness; and which character, due to
> its very nature as a combiner and unifier, is also the character that
> seeks and actualizes lasting existence and lasting peace.
>
> All of which is a matter of all components of life working together to
> create and perpetuate life, both in its natural and its man-made
> aspects, and allowing them to operate with each other at basic and all
> other levels, rather than being, as in all separationist dogmas,
> inherently and pointlessly at war.
>
> Clean energy is good all around. It is good economically, it is good
> politically, it is good and it is good for the character and mentality
> that it fosters, and it is good in its effects on the world. The
> extent to which clean energy is embraced, will determine who lives and
> for how long. In 200 AD, a Roman named Hero of Alexandria invented the
> steam engine. The Romans refused to use it because they thought the
> slave labor was cheap enough for their purposes. This oversight led
> Roman Empire to decline and eventually to fall to Vandals. If the
> Romans had realized what they had, they would have industrialized 1700
> years before the Industrial Revolution and would have been completely
> invulnerable, and most likely the world would be speaking Latin even
> to this day.
>
> In choosing whether to embrace clean energy, the world at this time
> faces an analogous choice.
>
> Ilya Shambat
> June 2008
> http://www.myspace.com/ibshambat
> http://ibshambat7.blogspot.com

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Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> Very good. The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to create
> not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
> Transmission Network.
Americans, at least, are too stupid and neurotic to do that.
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> What many people do not understand about clean energy is that it is a
> major economic boon to any country that would embrace it. The clean
> energy technologies - wind power, solar power, coal sequestration,
> hydrogen engines, sun-beam technology - are all brain-intensive,
> technology-intensive industries. Which means that they will directly
> create millions of jobs - engineering and technology jobs to develop
> the technologies, and manufacturing and construction jobs to put them
> in place. And that will be an effective way to put back to work the
> parts of America that have taken a hit from displacement of industry
> to other countries.
>
> It is also a way to wrest the world free of the stranglehold exercised
> by oil-funded fundamentalists in Texas, Oklahoma, Iran and Saudi
> Arabia, as well as dictators in Venezuela, Lybia and Kazakhstan. With
> energy production no longer under control of oppressors, there are
> stronger economical foundations for liberty in all of the world,
> including in what is known as the free world. With vital resources not
> under control of despots and fundamentalists, there is less change of
> free world being sabotaged, as it has been sabotaged by Texas Oil's
> puppet regime.
>
> Clean energy is also a way to extend humanity's lease on the planet.
> It is true progress: Affectuating greater utility with higher
> technology and less waste. The prosperous lifestyle can be maintained,
> while significantly reducing its negative effects, simply by changing
> the sources of energy to ones that are non-polluting and by removing
> the polluting elements from existing sources. The economic growth in
> China, India and elsewhere can be accommodated - by applying
> intelligence to use clean energy and to reduce carbon dioxide
> emissions from current sources.
>
> Clean energy is also a boon for character and thought habits that it
> fosters. Instead of seeing world as one in which it is jobs against
> the environment or civilization against nature, choose one or the
> other, the thinking turns to jobs and environment, civilization and
> nature, together: Accommodate both at once by creating jobs that
> produce wealth in a more prudent and more responsible way. Instead of
> people having to be fragmented between social responsibility and
> wealth, nature and civilization, feeling and intellect, ideal and
> reality, instead they become beings of both, and making the most of
> the aspects of human beingness that are in false dualistic thinking
> seen to be irrevocably at war. And this serves both the integration of
> human character as much as it serves longevity and economic well-being
> of humankind.
>
> Clean energy is a solution that uses the best of civilization - its
> intelligence, its foresight, its knowledge, its inventive pioneering
> thinking - to minimize negative impact of economic activity on nature
> and on the future generations, while providing through ingenuity and
> constructive endeavor a lifestyle as good as or better than one that
> they've had before. Man stops being an agent of destruction of nature
> and becomes an agent of coexistence with nature, both in the short and
> the long term. The people who for idealistic reasons are loathe to
> participate in oil-run economy, have an economic pursuit in which they
> can work and be true to ideals. And intelligence becomes source not
> merely of wealth, but of lasting wealth that works with nature rather
> than against nature - and that as such benefits and makes the most of
> both nature and mankind.
>
> The mentality fostered is one of considering all aspects of one's
> activity - and building a civilization that not only minimizes
> negative impact on nature, but also applies the best of intelligence
> and the best of innovation and the best of productive activity to
> provide more for people while minimizing impact on what one has not
> created and cannot recreate. From modes of cognition that constantly
> create hostile dualities which necessitate constant destruction, human
> understanding reaches to see components working together and put into
> place a lifestyle that makes the most of all the components and makes
> the most as such of life.
>
> The character created is a life-supporting integrative character: A
> character that quantifies all aspects of life and works to make the
> most of them - to make the most as such of life that is a function of
> all of the aspects working together. Intellect and feeling,
> civilization and nature, ideal and reality, prosperity and social
> responsibility, work together and create people of true integrity -
> integrity that is result of integration of components required for
> life, and that as such is supportive of life rather than life-
> destructive. Which character, by building a synergy of components,
> attains to the most of human beingness; and which character, due to
> its very nature as a combiner and unifier, is also the character that
> seeks and actualizes lasting existence and lasting peace.
>
> All of which is a matter of all components of life working together to
> create and perpetuate life, both in its natural and its man-made
> aspects, and allowing them to operate with each other at basic and all
> other levels, rather than being, as in all separationist dogmas,
> inherently and pointlessly at war.
>
> Clean energy is good all around. It is good economically, it is good
> politically, it is good and it is good for the character and mentality
> that it fosters, and it is good in its effects on the world. The
> extent to which clean energy is embraced, will determine who lives and
> for how long. In 200 AD, a Roman named Hero of Alexandria invented the
> steam engine. The Romans refused to use it because they thought the
> slave labor was cheap enough for their purposes. This oversight led
> Roman Empire to decline and eventually to fall to Vandals. If the
> Romans had realized what they had, they would have industrialized 1700
> years before the Industrial Revolution and would have been completely
> invulnerable, and most likely the world would be speaking Latin even
> to this day.
>
> In choosing whether to embrace clean energy, the world at this time
> faces an analogous choice.

2008http://www.myspace.com/ibshambathttp://ibshambat7.blogspot.com

Rightards can't work the ol' artificial job shortage if we go
renewable.

Geo taxation is always the first tax. It always lowers unemployment
and reduces costs.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:32 pm
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Day Brown wrote:

> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> Very good. The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to
>> create not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
>> Transmission Network.
> Americans, at least, are too stupid and neurotic to do that.

Americans, are not too stupid and neurotic to do that. At least not all of
them.

Unfortunate, they have no power to do as they want because the power has
been already hijacked by corporate and special interests whose interest is
against the interest of American people.

US politicians are dependent by corporate money, and corporations are
organized as pure dictatorships (non democratic entities).
As a result we got a extensions of the financial elites over politics, and
the politicians rule for the few elites not for the many. This is the
definition of a plutocracy.

So, do not blame the average guy for the actions of the plutocrat which
employ him directly, grab his money by unfair wages, then use that money to
buy control over the same guy's life, by bribing (aka corporate lobby)
politicians.

We need to gain at least some degree of democratic control over the
corporate power if US is to survive as a democracy.

--
The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.

Democracy Highlander

P.S.:
When I say "democratic", I use the word democratic coming from democracy not
from Democratic party. I am not connected in any way with Democratic party
and if they fail to do as promised and cut corporate corruption I have no
problem to turn on them and blog against them too.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:32 pm
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Democracy Highlander wrote:
> Day Brown wrote:
>
>
>>Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>
>>>Very good. The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to
>>>create not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
>>>Transmission Network.
>>
>>Americans, at least, are too stupid and neurotic to do that.
>
>
> Americans, are not too stupid and neurotic to do that. At least not all of
> them.
>
> Unfortunate, they have no power to do as they want because the power has
> been already hijacked by corporate and special interests whose interest is
> against the interest of American people.
>
> US politicians are dependent by corporate money, and corporations are
> organized as pure dictatorships (non democratic entities).
> As a result we got a extensions of the financial elites over politics, and
> the politicians rule for the few elites not for the many. This is the
> definition of a plutocracy.
>
> So, do not blame the average guy for the actions of the plutocrat which
> employ him directly, grab his money by unfair wages, then use that money to
> buy control over the same guy's life, by bribing (aka corporate lobby)
> politicians.
>
> We need to gain at least some degree of democratic control over the
> corporate power if US is to survive as a democracy.

You think we have a democracy now?
>
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:55:57 -0500, Mark M. wrote:

> Democracy Highlander wrote:
>> Day Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>
>>>>Very good. The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to
>>>>create not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
>>>>Transmission Network.
>>>
>>>Americans, at least, are too stupid and neurotic to do that.
>>
>>
>> Americans, are not too stupid and neurotic to do that. At least not all of
>> them.
>>
>> Unfortunate, they have no power to do as they want because the power has
>> been already hijacked by corporate and special interests whose interest is
>> against the interest of American people.
>>
>> US politicians are dependent by corporate money, and corporations are
>> organized as pure dictatorships (non democratic entities).
>> As a result we got a extensions of the financial elites over politics, and
>> the politicians rule for the few elites not for the many. This is the
>> definition of a plutocracy.
>>
>> So, do not blame the average guy for the actions of the plutocrat which
>> employ him directly, grab his money by unfair wages, then use that money to
>> buy control over the same guy's life, by bribing (aka corporate lobby)
>> politicians.
>>
>> We need to gain at least some degree of democratic control over the
>> corporate power if US is to survive as a democracy.
>
> You think we have a democracy now?

What kind of a comment is that? You are not offering anything. Just
whining. So was he. We SHOULD have a chance to fix this very soon. That
chance begins with a totally accountable Democratic government. And then
we can put some heat on these people to expand the level of democracy.
Follow the link in my signature. Don't whine about our democracy unless
you are willing to improve it. Hint: Campaign finance reform is a
deiversion

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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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On Jun 29, 10:57 pm, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1....TakeThisOut@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Very good.  The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to create
> not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
> Transmission Network.
>
> Details at:
>
> www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm

Excellent work. I have written about desalination of ocean water and
both using it to meet water needs of Australian metropolitan areas and
sending it through a network of canals into the inner Australia to
make desert bloom, but this is even better idea.

Does the Rudd government have a copy of this?
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On Jun 30, 9:22 pm, ibshambat2....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:57 pm, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1....DeleteThis@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > Very good.  The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to create
> > not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
> > Transmission Network.
>
> > Details at:
>
> >www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm
>
> Excellent work. I have written about desalination of ocean water and
> both using it to meet water needs of Australian metropolitan areas and
> sending it through a network of canals into the inner Australia to
> make desert bloom, but this is even better idea.
>
> Does the Rudd government have a copy of this?

Dear Ilya,

Thank you very much for your kind appreciation. I had given the
Howard Govt. a copy of this paper, and I had also sent a copy to Mr
Rudd then, but of all those I had sent a copy he did not acknowledge
it. Now, that was over a year ago. I had also given the paper to a
number of scientists and engineers, and they were on the whole highly
appreciative, and could not find any evident flaws. One of them, a
scientist at the UN, even said that there should be a pilot
enterprise. However, for the past year I have been very busy and also
exhausted in my paid work (IT and telecom related) and I do not have
any time to pursue this matter with the authorities, on a direct
basis, as normally done. I would be happy to be of use to anyone
worthy, and also with a passion or interest in this.

I do have letters in reply to my work from the Australian Govt. They
were encouraging, and showed me directions as to get further funding
for my work. I do wish I could follow this up, and maybe if more
intelligent and concerned people like you take interest, things could
go well. After all, we should ALL be concerned about this, for it
concerns us ALL.

The apparent problem seems to be, that this work appears to go counter
to the laws of thermodynamics, or at least, that is the position taken
by the very influential likes of Al Klein. This is a side-issue being
used to cover up the real problem, which is of course that influential
people are very happy with the status quo, and consider any change to
same to be a personal threat.

With best wishes,

Arindam Banerjee
Collins Street, Melbourne.
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On Jun 30, 2:59 am, Day Brown <daybr....DeleteThis@daybrown.org> wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > Very good.  The best way to save the planet and lead great live is to create
> > not just clean energy but pure water as well from the the Hydrogen
> > Transmission Network.
>
> Americans, at least, are too stupid and neurotic to do that.
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This is very sad. I should like to think so much better of them, and
I feel that I am speaking of all those who were brought up in the
60-70s when to be anything American meant that you could anything.

Really, I do hope there is more to American goals and ideals today,
than being a half-ton human being.

Arindam Banerjee.
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