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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> I love Moonstar but I really don't think her powers are all that
> necessary...I enjoyed her role in the Weir/DeFlippis New Mutants/New
> X-Men run and, in all that time (about 3 years), she only used her
> powers 2 or 3 times...I actually think it would be interesting to see
> some of the de-powered mutants find new roles in the X-books like what
> PAD has done with Rictor in X-Factor(although I never really liked
> Rictor)...it should have been done from the beginning...there was no
> reason to just sweep them all under the rug as soon as they lost their
> powers.

You're expecting other writers to be able to do what PAD could do with
Rictor. He's got both the interest and the talent to make it happen.
I'm not sure sure other writers do. I didn't like Dani in the
Weir/DeFlippis books so I wouldn't use that as an indicator of her power
use.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it started...when
> it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after
> all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...I'd say
> Quicksilver, Magneto, and Scarlet Witch are now the only ones left
> that are guaranteed to get their powers back...others are certainly
> possible but these are innevitable.

We don't know that Wanda is powerless. She appears to have given
herself a new history but we don't know what she really knows. Didn't
she not want Clint to see her Aunt Agatha? Kind of suspicious.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:

> grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>
>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it started...when it
>> was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after all...then
>> Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...

Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
(considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?


>> I'd say Quicksilver,
>> Magneto, and Scarlet Witch are now the only ones left that are
>> guaranteed to get their powers back...others are certainly possible but
>> these are innevitable.
>
> We don't know that Wanda is powerless. She appears to have given herself
> a new history but we don't know what she really knows. Didn't she not
> want Clint to see her Aunt Agatha? Kind of suspicious.

Is that Aunt Agatha or Aunt Skrullgatha though? Maybe it wasn't Wanda's
idea to hide the Aunt.
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mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>
>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it
>>> started...when it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his
>>> powers after all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so
>>> on...
>
> Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
> (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
> Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
> generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?

Does it matter? She's identical in power. And now Night Trasher has
some machine that can detect ALL superhumans, which effectively removes
any meaninfuly difference between mutant and non-mutant superhumans.
Cerebro/a detected a thing that was only in the brains of mutants. Now
it seems it's in other superhumans.

>>> I'd say Quicksilver,
>>> Magneto, and Scarlet Witch are now the only ones left that are
>>> guaranteed to get their powers back...others are certainly possible
>>> but these are innevitable.
>>
>> We don't know that Wanda is powerless. She appears to have given
>> herself a new history but we don't know what she really knows.
>> Didn't she not want Clint to see her Aunt Agatha? Kind of
>> suspicious.
>
> Is that Aunt Agatha or Aunt Skrullgatha though? Maybe it wasn't
> Wanda's idea to hide the Aunt.

Maybe.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:58 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:

> mimf <mimf RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in
> news:pan.2008.03.28.21.45.39.764673@nospam.com:
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>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>>
>>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
>>> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it started...when
>>>> it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after
>>>> all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...
>>
>> Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
>> (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
>> Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
>> generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?
>
> Does it matter? She's identical in power.

I think it matters. She no longer gets her powers by being a mutant. She
no longer has that in common with the other X-Men. Instead she has
something in common with Gambit and Sunfire.


>And now Night Trasher has some machine that can detect ALL superhumans,
>which effectively removes any meaninfuly difference between mutant and
>non-mutant superhumans.
> Cerebro/a detected a thing that was only in the brains of mutants. Now
> it seems it's in other superhumans.

Yes they're really watering down the idea of mutants. It looks like
they're putting all superhumans into the role that used to be filled
solely by mutants.
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On 28 Mar 2008 16:12:31 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:fd2pu3davvf1jttm07ost4qjtmp7aohu64@4ax.com:
>
>> I love Moonstar but I really don't think her powers are all that
>> necessary...I enjoyed her role in the Weir/DeFlippis New Mutants/New
>> X-Men run and, in all that time (about 3 years), she only used her
>> powers 2 or 3 times...I actually think it would be interesting to see
>> some of the de-powered mutants find new roles in the X-books like what
>> PAD has done with Rictor in X-Factor(although I never really liked
>> Rictor)...it should have been done from the beginning...there was no
>> reason to just sweep them all under the rug as soon as they lost their
>> powers.
>
>You're expecting other writers to be able to do what PAD could do with
>Rictor. He's got both the interest and the talent to make it happen.
>I'm not sure sure other writers do. I didn't like Dani in the
>Weir/DeFlippis books so I wouldn't use that as an indicator of her power
>use.

To each his own.
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>
>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it started...when
>> it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after
>> all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...I'd say
>> Quicksilver, Magneto, and Scarlet Witch are now the only ones left
>> that are guaranteed to get their powers back...others are certainly
>> possible but these are innevitable.
>
>We don't know that Wanda is powerless. She appears to have given
>herself a new history but we don't know what she really knows. Didn't
>she not want Clint to see her Aunt Agatha? Kind of suspicious.

True...but, as far as we know, she has no powers at the moment...but I
think we can both agree that she will in the future...whether she
actually regains them or they say she had them all along.
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mimf <mimf.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:58 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:

>> Does it matter? She's identical in power.
>
> I think it matters. She no longer gets her powers by being a mutant.
> She no longer has that in common with the other X-Men. Instead she has
> something in common with Gambit and Sunfire.

Gambit lost his powers? I don't think that's true. Anyway, do you
think it matters to the X-Men? Will a reader who is just starting up
again after years away somehow know that Polaris is no longer a mutant
but has the same powers? It really doesn't matter, particularly since
writers haven't bothered to mention it since that story with Apocalypse
by Milligan.
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> mimf <mimf RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in
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> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
> >
> >> grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
> >> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
> >>
> >>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it
> >>> started...when it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his
> >>> powers after all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so
> >>> on...
> >
> > Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
> > (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
> > Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
> > generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?
>
> Does it matter? She's identical in power. And now Night Trasher has
> some machine that can detect ALL superhumans, which effectively removes
> any meaninfuly difference between mutant and non-mutant superhumans.
> Cerebro/a detected a thing that was only in the brains of mutants. Now
> it seems it's in other superhumans.

Maybe it detects a host of different things. There's no reason it can't
scan for mutants one way and superhumans another.

- Nathan P. Mahney -
http://www.thecomicnerd.com
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"Dan McEwen" <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
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> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:37:44 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>
> >> Yeah, he was better. I think the idea was the Bishop was a cop
> >> and, as long as he was working for the NYPD, he would act like a cop.
> >> A real cop, too, not the bounty hunter he was originally presented
> >> as. (Not literally a bounty hunter, but that's what he seemed to be
> >> like.)
> >
> > I liked him best as a cop.
>
> Oh, me, too. He was pretty lame at inception but I think he's worse
> than ever now.

At inception I thought that Bishop worked very well - a follower of Xavier's
dream from a future where it's been perverted into violent extremes. The
problem came once Scott Lobdell took over Uncanny, and Bishop was thrust
firmly into the background and totally watered down. He became Worf-lite.

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http://www.thecomicnerd.com
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mimf <mimf.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>
>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it
>>> started...when it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his
>>> powers after all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so
>>> on...
>
> Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
> (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
> Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
> generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?

Polaris's powers are mimicked. Part of her storyline at the time
was that she had troubles controlling the new version. Sunfire is
presumably in the same situation? But Sunfire had lost his powers
before Decimation.

It doesn't really matter anyway though, because Polaris' new
powers are effectively identical to her old powers, and she is
pretty much being written as if she is identical to her old self.
It probably won't ever be brought up again, and writers (or
editors) will come along and not remember or not even know the
whole depowering and Apocalypse thing happened. Same goes with
Sunfire. Heck, since Sunfire lost his powers (and limbs) in a
miniseries, there were people who never knew what happened to
him in the first place. Or look at how people just ignored that
Gambit went from Apocalypse-modified to regular Gambit between
writers.
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mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in news:pan.2008.03.29.02.05.28.776380
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:58 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>> mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:pan.2008.03.28.21.45.39.764673@nospam.com:
>>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>>>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
>>>> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it
started...when
>>>>> it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after
>>>>> all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...
>>>
>>> Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
>>> (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
>>> Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
>>> generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?
>>
>> Does it matter? She's identical in power.
>
> I think it matters. She no longer gets her powers by being a mutant.
> She no longer has that in common with the other X-Men. Instead she
> has something in common with Gambit and Sunfire.

Gambit never lost his powers. He made it through Decimation, and
went to Apocalypse of his own free will.

Apocalypse gave him additional powers (emitting gas) and changed
his skin color. Gambit lost *those* powers without explanation.
He had them in one appearance, and they were gone in the next.
Readers just assumed that Mr. Sinister removed them, even if there
wasn't really a logical reason to do so.

I'd bet Sunfire also magically lost his Famine ability with
light production, or at least that we'll never see him do that
trick again despite it being a very effective way to neutralize
a crowd.

Polaris had all the diseases she carried removed by the X-Men,
but there was no mention of what was protecting her from those
same diseases. That will likely never be mentioned again either.
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>> And now Night Trasher has
>> some machine that can detect ALL superhumans, which effectively removes
>> any meaninfuly difference between mutant and non-mutant superhumans.
>> Cerebro/a detected a thing that was only in the brains of mutants.
>> Now it seems it's in other superhumans.
>
> Maybe it detects a host of different things. There's no reason it
> can't scan for mutants one way and superhumans another.

Or is just a general purpose scan, checking for any and all
divergences from a normal human template. It catches mutants the
same way it catches other powers, by seeing a difference.

(How unrealistic such a device is is irrelevant, considering the
nature of comic book tech and science.)
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