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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:18 pm
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:59:12 +0000, Billy Bissette wrote:
> "Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in news:fskb4c$np6$1
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>> "Dan McEwen" <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> And now Night Trasher has
>>> some machine that can detect ALL superhumans, which effectively removes
>>> any meaninfuly difference between mutant and non-mutant superhumans.
>>> Cerebro/a detected a thing that was only in the brains of mutants. Now
>>> it seems it's in other superhumans.
>>
>> Maybe it detects a host of different things. There's no reason it can't
>> scan for mutants one way and superhumans another.
>
> Or is just a general purpose scan, checking for any and all
> divergences from a normal human template. It catches mutants the same way
> it catches other powers, by seeing a difference.
>
> (How unrealistic such a device is is irrelevant, considering the
> nature of comic book tech and science.)
Seems to me it would be easy to "jam" it with a lot of "background noise."
If every person on earth is made to look like a variant in some way... |
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:11 pm
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On 29 Mar 2008 13:44:56 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
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>mimf <mimf.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in
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>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:58 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
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>>> Does it matter? She's identical in power.
>>
>> I think it matters. She no longer gets her powers by being a mutant.
>> She no longer has that in common with the other X-Men. Instead she has
>> something in common with Gambit and Sunfire.
>
>Gambit lost his powers? I don't think that's true. Anyway, do you
>think it matters to the X-Men? Will a reader who is just starting up
>again after years away somehow know that Polaris is no longer a mutant
>but has the same powers? It really doesn't matter, particularly since
>writers haven't bothered to mention it since that story with Apocalypse
>by Milligan.
>
I agree...if the powers are the same, then it doesn't really matter
where they come from...it could be argued that Prof. X isn't a mutant
anymore either but you don't see that as a factor in X-Men
stories...and PAD has revealed in X-Factor that Madrox isn't a mutant
but he still considers himself one and no one else has questioned
that...it only makes any difference if the writers say it does...and
none of them have brought it up...and I doubt they will in the future.
Oh, and, while Gambit, Sunfire, and Polaris all underwent Apocalypse's
horseman transformation (along with Wolverine and Angel in the past),
Polaris was the only one who ever actually lost her powers...unless
you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:16 pm
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:16:13 -0000, Billy Bissette
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>mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
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>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:02 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
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>>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
>>> news:n32pu3pph07ca5b8k6i1hrqsklebcejrgs@4ax.com:
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>>>> Decimation started unravelling like the month after it
>>>> started...when it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his
>>>> powers after all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so
>>>> on...
>>
>> Of these, how many are mutant powers? Iceman yes. Xavier probably
>> (considering the "magic" that restored them could do anything). But
>> Polaris? Are her powers X-mutant powers or something scientifically
>> generated by Apocalypse that merely mimic her original powers?
>
> Polaris's powers are mimicked. Part of her storyline at the time
>was that she had troubles controlling the new version. Sunfire is
>presumably in the same situation? But Sunfire had lost his powers
>before Decimation.
>
> It doesn't really matter anyway though, because Polaris' new
>powers are effectively identical to her old powers, and she is
>pretty much being written as if she is identical to her old self.
>It probably won't ever be brought up again, and writers (or
>editors) will come along and not remember or not even know the
>whole depowering and Apocalypse thing happened. Same goes with
>Sunfire. Heck, since Sunfire lost his powers (and limbs) in a
>miniseries, there were people who never knew what happened to
>him in the first place. Or look at how people just ignored that
>Gambit went from Apocalypse-modified to regular Gambit between
>writers.
I didn't think Sunfire had completely lost his powers...I thought it
was like what Rogue did to Ms. Marvel back in the day...or to Polaris
in the Age of Apocalypse...she took part of his power but not all.
As to Gambit's transformation, this is nothing new...Angel, Wolverine,
and Caliban all eventually reverted to form after Apocalypse's
transformation...Wolverine basically did so from one issue to the
next...I don't see that it really needs to be explained...though I
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:13 am
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> I agree...if the powers are the same, then it doesn't really matter
> where they come from...it could be argued that Prof. X isn't a mutant
> anymore either but you don't see that as a factor in X-Men
> stories...and PAD has revealed in X-Factor that Madrox isn't a mutant
> but he still considers himself one and no one else has questioned
> that...it only makes any difference if the writers say it does...and
> none of them have brought it up...and I doubt they will in the future.
Prof X is a mutant. The M'Krann Crystal restored him and x-gene. I
don't fully buy the Madrox thing. Cerebro sure seemed to think he was a
mutant.
> Oh, and, while Gambit, Sunfire, and Polaris all underwent Apocalypse's
> horseman transformation (along with Wolverine and Angel in the past),
> Polaris was the only one who ever actually lost her powers...unless
> you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
> not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
> through artificial means...basically the same situation as Polaris.
Sunfire lost his powers before Decimation so he was technically
powerless. Warren is a mutant though. Cutting off his wings doesn't
change the fact that he had an active x-gene. Part of his mutation also
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:13 am
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On 30 Mar 2008 01:13:44 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> I agree...if the powers are the same, then it doesn't really matter
>> where they come from...it could be argued that Prof. X isn't a mutant
>> anymore either but you don't see that as a factor in X-Men
>> stories...and PAD has revealed in X-Factor that Madrox isn't a mutant
>> but he still considers himself one and no one else has questioned
>> that...it only makes any difference if the writers say it does...and
>> none of them have brought it up...and I doubt they will in the future.
>
>Prof X is a mutant. The M'Krann Crystal restored him and x-gene. I
>don't fully buy the Madrox thing. Cerebro sure seemed to think he was a
>mutant.
It all depends on writer interpretation.
>
>> Oh, and, while Gambit, Sunfire, and Polaris all underwent Apocalypse's
>> horseman transformation (along with Wolverine and Angel in the past),
>> Polaris was the only one who ever actually lost her powers...unless
>> you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
>> not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
>> through artificial means...basically the same situation as Polaris.
>
>Sunfire lost his powers before Decimation so he was technically
>powerless. Warren is a mutant though. Cutting off his wings doesn't
>change the fact that he had an active x-gene. Part of his mutation also
>includes hollow bones and now the healing blood.
Well, regardless of whether Sunfire had lost his powers to Rogue, he'd
still be a mutant...certainly if Angel still counts as one...and don't
remind me about the healing blood...I'm trying to forget everything
from Chuck Austen's run...luckily, it seems like the current writers
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:37 am
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Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9A70D72314609McEwen@
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> Sunfire lost his powers before Decimation so he was technically
> powerless. Warren is a mutant though. Cutting off his wings doesn't
> change the fact that he had an active x-gene. Part of his mutation
> also includes hollow bones and now the healing blood.
As far as I know, Sunfire's situation was never clarified in
regards to Decimation. Did he survive Decimation unaffected, or was
he a victim? (Or did he dodge the whole issue similar to mutants
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:41 am
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On 30 Mar 2008 01:13:44 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Sunfire lost his powers before Decimation so he was technically
>>powerless. Warren is a mutant though. Cutting off his wings doesn't
>>change the fact that he had an active x-gene. Part of his mutation
>>also includes hollow bones and now the healing blood.
>
> Well, regardless of whether Sunfire had lost his powers to Rogue, he'd
> still be a mutant...certainly if Angel still counts as one...and don't
> remind me about the healing blood...I'm trying to forget everything
> from Chuck Austen's run...luckily, it seems like the current writers
> are too.
We actually don't know Sunfire's status one way or the other. His
x-gene might or might not exist. Also, Angel's healing blood still
exists. It's hardly the worst secondary mutation and requires the
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:19 pm
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"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> unless
> you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
> not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
> through artificial means...basically the same situation as Polaris.
Angel's mutation goes beyond his wings, he's got hollow bones to allow him
to fly. He never lost that.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:06 pm
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"Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOSPAM.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
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> "grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> unless
>> you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
>> not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
>> through artificial means...basically the same situation as Polaris.
>
> Angel's mutation goes beyond his wings, he's got hollow bones to allow
> him to fly. He never lost that.
It wouldn't matter even if he didn't. The fact is that it's a gene that
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:17 am
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On 30 Mar 2008 20:06:20 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
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>"Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
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>> "grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:68mtu39v2mli0f1bj0ss4vp9sdb6ukfli5@4ax.com...
>>> unless
>>> you count Angel losing his wings back in the day, in which case, he's
>>> not technically a mutant either since he only regained his wings
>>> through artificial means...basically the same situation as Polaris.
>>
>> Angel's mutation goes beyond his wings, he's got hollow bones to allow
>> him to fly. He never lost that.
>
>It wouldn't matter even if he didn't. The fact is that it's a gene that
>makes one a mutant or not. The lack of wings didn't destroy the gene.
No...but we have no idea what Apocalypse's transformation did to
him...not all of his horsemen have been mutants (at least
currently)...and his wings were artificial (at least at first)...so
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:23 am
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"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
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> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of most
> of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned and/or seen
> and, therefore, easily ignored.
The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:23 am
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:23:23 +0100, "Donnacha"
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>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of most
>> of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned and/or seen
>> and, therefore, easily ignored.
>
>The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
>
>D.
>
You rarely see or hear about Emma's either...it does come up once in a
while but, most of the time, it's ignored...and the only reason
Beast's has stuck is that it can't be turned on and off...they'd have
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:43 am
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:23:23 +0100, "Donnacha"
> <donnacha.delongNOSPAM DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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>>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of
>>> most of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned
>>> and/or seen and, therefore, easily ignored.
>>
>>The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
> You rarely see or hear about Emma's either...it does come up once in a
> while but, most of the time, it's ignored...and the only reason
> Beast's has stuck is that it can't be turned on and off...they'd have
> to have a story explaining why he doesn't look that way anymore.
Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing? >> Stay informed about: New Cable Series |
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On 31 Mar 2008 10:43:25 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:23:23 +0100, "Donnacha"
>> <donnacha.delongNOSPAM RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of
>>>> most of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned
>>>> and/or seen and, therefore, easily ignored.
>>>
>>>The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
>
>> You rarely see or hear about Emma's either...it does come up once in a
>> while but, most of the time, it's ignored...and the only reason
>> Beast's has stuck is that it can't be turned on and off...they'd have
>> to have a story explaining why he doesn't look that way anymore.
>
>Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
Only a couple of times that I can recall...of course, issues of that
book are so few and far between that it could happen in every issue
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:35 pm
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Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9A72438FF9E96McEwen@
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> grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:23:23 +0100, "Donnacha"
>> <donnacha.delongNOSPAM RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of
>>>> most of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned
>>>> and/or seen and, therefore, easily ignored.
>>>
>>>The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
>
>> You rarely see or hear about Emma's either...it does come up once in a
>> while but, most of the time, it's ignored...and the only reason
>> Beast's has stuck is that it can't be turned on and off...they'd have
>> to have a story explaining why he doesn't look that way anymore.
>
> Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
It recently got mention in Uncanny, as well. When Emma and Scott
were in the Savage Land, she mentioned being the only person that
could look at Scott's eyes, because she could turn her own to
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