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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:52 pm
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William Black wrote:
> "Doug Urquhart" wrote
>> Isn't there also an issue with colour encoding, though? In the UK,
>> you have PAL. In the US, we have NTSC. The multi-region DVDs I
>> mentioned above are compatible with NTSC. This isn't generally
>> true, is it?
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> Most of the DVD players available in the UK play both, and SECAM as
> well.
Two techy points here, AIUI:
1. The colour encoding in a broadcast signal (PAL, SECAM, NTSC) is
irrelevant on a DVD if you connect your DVD player to your television
via an RGB connection.
2. HOWEVER, the terms 'NTSC' and 'PAL' are (incorrectly) used on DVDs
to indicate the line and field rate - 625/50 for PAL and 525/60 for
NTSC. Television sets in UKia are (usually) happy to display 525/60
signals, but US sets almost certainly won't cope with 625/50. (This
may be because they just don't, or there may be technical reasons
which make it more difficult, I'm not sure).
So the result is that, even if a USian can play a Region 2 DVD, his or
her tv set may not like it  .
Then again, don't computers play anything?
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:53 pm
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"Doug Urquhart" wrote in message
> Isn't there also an issue with colour encoding, though? In the UK, you
> have PAL. In the US, we have NTSC. The multi-region DVDs I mentioned
> above are compatible with NTSC. This isn't generally true, is it?
Nope, bought a ton of NTSC dvds and played them fine through a UK telly and
multiregion player.
Also played SECAM area dvds, likewise no issue.
I've had dvds from every single region there is. My player happily managed
them all.
The dvd player does all the work to make them watchable on your tv.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:55 pm
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"André Coutanche" wrote in message
> William Black wrote:
>> "Doug Urquhart" wrote
>>> Isn't there also an issue with colour encoding, though? In the UK,
>>> you have PAL. In the US, we have NTSC. The multi-region DVDs I
>>> mentioned above are compatible with NTSC. This isn't generally
>>> true, is it?
>>
>> Most of the DVD players available in the UK play both, and SECAM as
>> well.
>
> Two techy points here, AIUI:
>
> 1. The colour encoding in a broadcast signal (PAL, SECAM, NTSC) is
> irrelevant on a DVD if you connect your DVD player to your television
> via an RGB connection.
Who the heck wants to connect a dvd player thru a rubbish rgb lead? I
always find anything looks weird and off-colour on my rgb channel.
Scart all the way. WYSIWYG  >> Stay informed about: Colour of Magic |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:43 pm
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Raymond Daley wrote:
> "André Coutanche" wrote in message
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>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Doug Urquhart" wrote
>>>> Isn't there also an issue with colour encoding, though? In the UK,
>>>> you have PAL. In the US, we have NTSC. The multi-region DVDs I
>>>> mentioned above are compatible with NTSC. This isn't generally
>>>> true, is it?
>>> Most of the DVD players available in the UK play both, and SECAM as
>>> well.
>> Two techy points here, AIUI:
>>
>> 1. The colour encoding in a broadcast signal (PAL, SECAM, NTSC) is
>> irrelevant on a DVD if you connect your DVD player to your television
>> via an RGB connection.
>
> Who the heck wants to connect a dvd player thru a rubbish rgb lead? I
> always find anything looks weird and off-colour on my rgb channel.
> Scart all the way. WYSIWYG
>
Most RGB connections for TVs are supplied by the Scart lead and I
presumed he meant that. I have seen very few component video
connections and they have all been on 'high end' monitors.
>
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:08 pm
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"André Coutanche" wrote in message
> Then again, don't computers play anything?
>
They should, but something, I think the Microsoft operating system but it
could be the BIOS, stops you changing the DVD region more than about four
times.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:38 pm
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Reader in Invisible Writings wrote:
> Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "André Coutanche" wrote
>>> 1. The colour encoding in a broadcast signal (PAL, SECAM, NTSC) is
>>> irrelevant on a DVD if you connect your DVD player to your
>>> television via an RGB connection.
>>
>> Who the heck wants to connect a dvd player thru a rubbish rgb lead?
>> I always find anything looks weird and off-colour on my rgb
>> channel.
>> Scart all the way. WYSIWYG
I don't know what 'rubbish rgb leads' you have in mind, but the only
connection which is (arguably) better than RGB is component - and, in
practice, there is little, if any, difference.
> Most RGB connections for TVs are supplied by the Scart lead and I
> presumed he meant that.
I did indeed, but, out of deference to the USians I'm trying to help,
I used the generic description 'RGB lead' rather than the specific
European 'Scart'. And, of course, 'Scart' is a connector; you can put
RGB through it, but the terms are not synonymous.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:16 am
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On 26 Feb, 00:08, doug....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net (Doug Urquhart) wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:40:53 GMT, "Wonder" wrote:
> >Here you go peepshttp://www.skyone.co.uk/magic/
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> Ta very much. Very cool.
>
> Good choice on the casting of Cohen, I think. Twoflower? We'll see
>
> Now when will this be available in the Land of the Free[1]?
>
Let's see, everything "French" has now been relabled "Freedom", so
"Land of the Free" must be France, right ?
Cheers,
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:32 am
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André Coutanche wrote:
>William Black wrote:
>> "Doug Urquhart" wrote
>>> Isn't there also an issue with colour encoding, though? In the UK,
>>> you have PAL. In the US, we have NTSC. The multi-region DVDs I
>>> mentioned above are compatible with NTSC. This isn't generally
>>> true, is it?
>>
>> Most of the DVD players available in the UK play both, and SECAM as
>> well.
>
>Two techy points here, AIUI:
>
>1. The colour encoding in a broadcast signal (PAL, SECAM, NTSC) is
>irrelevant on a DVD if you connect your DVD player to your television
>via an RGB connection.
>
>2. HOWEVER, the terms 'NTSC' and 'PAL' are (incorrectly) used on DVDs
>to indicate the line and field rate - 625/50 for PAL and 525/60 for
>NTSC. Television sets in UKia are (usually) happy to display 525/60
>signals, but US sets almost certainly won't cope with 625/50. (This
>may be because they just don't, or there may be technical reasons
>which make it more difficult, I'm not sure).
>
>So the result is that, even if a USian can play a Region 2 DVD, his or
>her tv set may not like it .
I bought a region-free DVD player from a site that said they had done
whatever techy stuff was necessary to let me play the UK edition of
Hogfather on it. (It's entirely possible that all they did was
repackage a DVD player that was made in Hong Kong for sale in the UK.)
Regardless, it does play UK DVDs and it plays them well on my very
old American television. My tv is so old that I connect any DVD
player (either the US or the UK one, I have both) through my VCR.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:09 pm
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William Black wrote:
> "André Coutanche" wrote in message
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> > Then again, don't computers play anything?
> >
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> They should, but something, I think the Microsoft operating system but it
> could be the BIOS, stops you changing the DVD region more than about four
> times.
It may be the Microsoft OS on Windows PCs, I know not, but Macs do it
too.
--
Carol
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that thing in your mouth. Particularly if the thing is
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:09 pm
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Len Oil wrote:
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> [1] First "Jason"[2] (having decided to skim over his honorific) and
> then "Austin". The way I write it, it sounds like a couple of kids'
> first names, not a couple of adult's surnames.
Would it help if I pointed out that his name is actually *Astin* then ?
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:13 am
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Carol Hague wrote:
[Sean Astin, a.k.a. Twoflower]
> Would it help if I pointed out that his name is actually *Astin* then ?
>
I was probably thinking of one or other of the "Steve"s of that other
surname, when I wrote that...
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:45 am
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Len Oil wrote:
> Carol Hague wrote:
> [Sean Astin, a.k.a. Twoflower]
> > Would it help if I pointed out that his name is actually *Astin* then ?
> >
> Still, "Astin" could be a first name too. As in "Astin Martin".
*Thwap!*
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