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Wonder wrote:
> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>
>
Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has on his
arm?" Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks like a front and
rear paw (brindle) and probably the rest of the body in black, so I
would say Wuffles alert!!!!

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> Wonder wrote:
>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece

> Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has on his arm?"
> Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks like a front and rear paw
> (brindle) and probably the rest of the body in black, so I would say
> Wuffles alert!!!!

Thought it was his hat myself.
Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?
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>> Wonder wrote:
>>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>
>> Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has on his
>> arm?" Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks like a front and
>> rear paw (brindle) and probably the rest of the body in black, so I would
>> say Wuffles alert!!!!
>
> Thought it was his hat myself.
> Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?
>

That's wonderful news!
And I'd say most certainly that's a puppy dog under his arm.
Yay!

Aggie
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Reader in Invisible Writings <markfoweraker.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> said:
> Wonder wrote:
>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>>
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>>
>>
> Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has
> on his arm?" Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks
> like a front and rear paw (brindle) and probably the rest of
> the body in black, so I would say Wuffles alert!!!!

I always thought Wuffles was white. He's been noticeably
light-coloured in the Kidby drawings, certainly. He doesn't appear
to be on the cover of Sourcery (unless he's behind the barcode),
and I don't have a copy of TT to see if he's on there or not.


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On 06 Mar 2008, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?

I'd say so, personally, but Pterry disagrees.

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Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:

> On 06 Mar 2008, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?
>
> I'd say so, personally, but Pterry disagrees.

History monks . . .
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Emma Anne wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
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>> On 06 Mar 2008, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley.DeleteThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?
>> I'd say so, personally, but Pterry disagrees.
>
> History monks . . .
The information regarding the Patrician in COM is limited.
COM (Corgi 1985)
p38 the Patrician has spies
p41-2 the Patrician
smiled, but with his mouth only - V
exquisitely organised spy system - V
cradled his chins in a beringed hand - non V?
eyes as small and hard as beads - non V? and V
clever argument and getting self incrimination - V
thick fingers - non V
private audience - V
crystallised jellyfish - no proof he eats them - a V type test?
candid briefing to lock someone in - V
candid prophesy - V
dry humor (sue your face for slander) - V
p62-3 the Patrician and the expert
jellyfish offer turned down - V
allowed himself the luxury of a scowl - V
I begin to see - V in learning mode?
Who is (Assassins) president? - non V
People should stay where put - V

most of the references are very like Vetinari and those that are not
could be explained by loosing weight and learning. They do not sound
like most former Patricians who would have physically tortured Rincewind
rather than mentally (you gladly take your rack with you). It is
unlikely that people would have refused Snapcase's offer of delicacies
for fear of retribution.

My son's theory is that the Guilds would have been more likely to elect
a soft looking, fine dining, rich living, Lord Vetinari (in the normal
Patrician mould as it were) rather than a hard one, so he may have
fattened up to get the job.

Your mileage is bound to vary.


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Reader in Invisible Writings wrote:
> My son's theory is that the Guilds would have been more likely to elect
> a soft looking, fine dining, rich living, Lord Vetinari (in the normal
> Patrician mould as it were) rather than a hard one, so he may have
> fattened up to get the job.

And I've mentioned in the past the possibility of at least part
augmentation with a fat-suit. For much the same reason as you say, that
it would be unlikely that anyone would be comfortable trying to be the
'power behind the plain wooden chair at the foot of the throne' of the
serious-thinking (if younger) Vetinari.

/However/, perhaps young Havelock, having finished his education at the
Guild almost entirely unnoticed (at several levels), set out to see the
world and then, a few years later, returned from the Grand Sneer looking
plump and self-serving, sounding a bit dim-witted, perceived to be
impressionable/open to 'guidance' from certain powerful individuals
given the opportunity... Well, if he might /happen/ to find himself in
the company of the right set of people[1], those people might imagine
him to be suitably pliable for their purposes, manoeuvre him into the
palace, and never /quite/ work out that it wasn't really their own
choice to spend a lot more time on their personal estates, before
finding that their 'wonder child' is quite so manipulatable after all.



[1] Which he could not have managed on purpose, of course... Not unless
he were very astute, which he quite obviously isn't. Oh look, he's
blundered into the wrong room again while looking for the dining room,
it's a good job that he couldn't have possibly read the title of the
files sitting on the desk, given he could only have gotten a short
upside-down glance at them before he tripped on the carpet and upset the
inkwell over some pieces of paper... And where's he gone now, I'm sure
he was in the guest room a short while ago. Probably gone to find
something to eat again. Sheesh. I'd swear he somehow manages to get
through locked doors sometimes, although of course there's never any
reason to think he's actually been anywhere /important/, on the way to
the larder in the servants quarters.
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>> Wonder wrote:
>>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>
>> Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has on his
>> arm?" Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks like a front and
>> rear paw (brindle) and probably the rest of the body in black, so I would
>> say Wuffles alert!!!!
>
> Thought it was his hat myself.
> Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?

Just to confirm, the *thing* under his arm is a small dog. A cute one too.
And, while no-one calls the Patrician "Vetinari" (in the first half of the
fillum, at least), JI certainly plays him as Vetinari as far as I'm
concerned. There was a big cheer from the audience when he said "XXXXXX" ...
ooops! Don't want to spoil anything

I'd put the Vetinari/Snapcase swap down to acceptable poetic licence.
Especially if we are to see further books on the big screen in future.

- MEG
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MEG wrote:
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>>> Wonder wrote:
>>>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>>> Forwarded the link to my son who said "Is that Wuffles he has on his
>>> arm?" Using ImageZoom in Firefox, it certainly looks like a front and
>>> rear paw (brindle) and probably the rest of the body in black, so I would
>>> say Wuffles alert!!!!
>> Thought it was his hat myself.
>> Wrong Patrician surely? Isn't Vetinari in COM/LF. It'd be Snapcase?
>
> Just to confirm, the *thing* under his arm is a small dog. A cute one too.
> And, while no-one calls the Patrician "Vetinari" (in the first half of the
> fillum, at least), JI certainly plays him as Vetinari as far as I'm
> concerned. There was a big cheer from the audience when he said "XXXXXX" ...
> ooops! Don't want to spoil anything
>
> I'd put the Vetinari/Snapcase swap down to acceptable poetic licence.
> Especially if we are to see further books on the big screen in future.
>
> - MEG
>
>
Pretty sure the Patrician (which ever one it is) does not appear in the
text of LF, but the film may have re-shaped that reality. [see my
theory of reporting leading to alternate versions of events - hey hasn't
someone just tried to make a film using that!!!]

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On 2008-03-05, Wonder <me RemoveThis @here.com> wrote:
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> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece

Erk! In the trailer I thought TwoFlower at first was one of the
directors or crew where the others are the characters! His costume
and manner looks "American"

- Richard

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Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2008-03-05, Wonder <me.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote:
>> Saw the pic last night heres the link
>>
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article871847.ece
>
> Erk! In the trailer I thought TwoFlower at first was one of the
> directors or crew where the others are the characters! His costume
> and manner looks "American"
>
> - Richard
>
And your point being?

Right, I know many now see Paul Kidby's illustrations as definitive, but
others have recently remarked on this group that they have always seen
the camera wielding, rich and outlandishly dressed tourist as American,
rather than Chinese. It is also probably 'safer' in these PC times to
appear to parody a Caucasian rather than another group. Also, on the
plane, Two Flower's alter ego seems more Transatlantic rather than
transcontinental.

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In article <fqpvfc$7n$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
Len Oil <lenoil.DeleteThis@lenoil.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Reader in Invisible Writings wrote:
>> My son's theory is that the Guilds would have been more likely to elect
>> a soft looking, fine dining, rich living, Lord Vetinari (in the normal
>> Patrician mould as it were) rather than a hard one, so he may have
>> fattened up to get the job.
>
>And I've mentioned in the past the possibility of at least part
>augmentation with a fat-suit. For much the same reason as you say, that
>it would be unlikely that anyone would be comfortable trying to be the
>'power behind the plain wooden chair at the foot of the throne' of the
>serious-thinking (if younger) Vetinari.
>
>/However/, perhaps young Havelock, having finished his education at the
>Guild almost entirely unnoticed (at several levels), set out to see the
>world and then, a few years later, returned from the Grand Sneer looking
>plump and self-serving, sounding a bit dim-witted, perceived to be
>impressionable/open to 'guidance' from certain powerful individuals
>given the opportunity... Well, if he might /happen/ to find himself in
>the company of the right set of people[1], those people might imagine
>him to be suitably pliable for their purposes, manoeuvre him into the
>palace, and never /quite/ work out that it wasn't really their own
>choice to spend a lot more time on their personal estates, before
>finding that their 'wonder child' is quite so manipulatable after all.
>
>[1] Which he could not have managed on purpose, of course... Not unless
>he were very astute, which he quite obviously isn't.
<snip>

Yes, very good. Though I still prefer my theory that the weight change
is one of those major changes that happen in the courses of the books,
that the History Monks don't bother to fix because of the rush job effect.
It might have been the one at the end of TCoM, or at the end of TLF, or
fairly early in ER. By the time of Mort I think Vetinari is already thin.

=Tamar
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