Critique of a Will Dockery poem

In article <1113507498.026418.232930 DeleteThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
the messenjah <theguyonthebike DeleteThis @veryfast.biz> said:

 >
 >
 > K. A. Cannon wrote:
  > > "the messenjah" <theguyonthebike DeleteThis @veryfast.biz> posted
  > > <1113499527.328429.179240 DeleteThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> in
  > > rec.arts.poems on 14 Apr 2005 10:25:27 -0700:
  > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >j r sherman wrote:
   > > >> In article <20050414104118.753$77@newsreader.com>, Biljo White
   > > >says...
   > > >> >
   > > >> >"Will Dockery" <shamankickboxer DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
   > > >> >
   > > >> >Will - I'll try to get to it in the next few days -- glad you
 > liked
   > > >my
   > > >> >previous comments.
   > > >> >
   > > >> >Ozzie
   > > >>
   > > >> trust me, Ozzie, he didn't like your comments at all.
   > > >>
   > > >> what's worse is that he won't follow a single bit of good advice
 > you
   > > >gave him.
   > > >> wanting to write good poetry is not what dockery is about.
   > > >>
   > > >> you gave him some really good advice, it's too bad he won't follow
 > a
   > > >word of it.
   > > >>
   > > >>
   > > >> j r sherman
   > > >
   > > >you're an asshole, j r.
  > >
  > > You're a cracker clown queer who rides a bike.
 >
 > Remember Kevin, while you're running errands for your Daddy inside your
 > filthy factory in New Jersey, I'll be outside at a cafe having lunch
 > with a beautiful woman in sunny Florida. Keep that in mind...

Yeah, right. Transparent bullshit.

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In article <1113526255.671812.135310 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Will Dockery <shamankickboxer RemoveThis @hotmail.com> said:

 > Barbara's Cat wrote:
  > > Will Dockery <will_dockery RemoveThis @knology.net> said:
  > >
   > > > Thanks, and hope you'll continue with more re-writes
  > >
  > > Lazy bastard! Now you're asking others
  > > to do your work for you. Pathetic.
 >
 > Sorry to confuse you, Cat, but I meant the re-write was interesting,
 > and I'd be interested in seeing more of this type thing, something that
 > hasn't been done much, if at all, since the Tom Bishop days.
 >
 > I in no way need or desire anyone "doing my work for me".

Yeah, right, lazy bastard.

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In article <1113525985.670250.118470 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Will Dockery <shamankickboxer RemoveThis @hotmail.com> said:

 >
 > Barbara's Cat wrote:
  > > Leila said:
  > >
   > > > > > If you have time, this is one I have a problem with changing,
   > > > perhaps
   > > > > > you'll have an idea on where to take it:
   > > >
   > > > Non, mon ami-not my poem, I just fucked with it for entertainmen't
   > > > sake. It's Will Dockery's. Did I leave off his name? Ack!
  > >
  > > Yes, but I knew who wrote the piece, Leila. My reply was with regards
 > to
  > > Dockery's asking "where to take it" and I replied as nicely as I
 > could.
 >
 > Though your though on where to take it can work in many cases, Cat, it
 > won't work for this one, since there's no chance of me abandoning it.
 >
 > So, now that its understood that I have to keep the poem and tinker
 > with it, do you have any thoughts on what might be done with it?

Yes. Grab a blank sheet of paper and start over
with a whole different set of words.

   > > > > What Cat would do: Grab a blank sheet of paper and
   > > > > start over with a whole different set of words.
   > > > >
   > > > > > I played with your poem. It's like connect the dots on a
 > Pollock
   > > > > > painting. Whee!
   > > > > > L
   > > > > > ----
   > > > > > Tuesday, With Little Spain.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > And so
   > > > > > I am shoved back into this night.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Well, she said,
   > > > > > she said,
   > > > > > it was impossible.
   > > > > > "There is a place, it smoulders, it is the past, dreamtime,
   > > > > > it wanders these dark corridors of memory."
   > > > > >
   > > > > > I sleep so deep that I don't like to sleep,
   > > > > > my dreams are an undertow.
   > > > > > I do these things over and over,
   > > > > > repent, regret but keep doing it.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Spackled with sheet rock mud,
   > > > > > During the decline and fall of poetry,
   > > > > > in the summer of sardonic excess,
   > > > > > I sat with Little Spain on her steps,
   > > > > > and felt her softness.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Still a sky poet, though tattered and glowing,
   > > > > > brought down from Blue Territory,
   > > > > > I wandered by a cold river with her
   > > > > > in the flaming land of summer.
   > > > > > Enraptured again, entangled again.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > This complete process of remaking we had,
   > > > > > your mix of pales and shades,
   > > > > > your disctinctive, mythic self,
   > > > > > one distinct song of your eyes...
   > > > > > You will only remake what was,
   > > > > > And I know it now and then
   > > > > > and I will know it again.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Look at me, Blue Territory Girl
   > > > > > Suck the pink honey from the clover.
   > > > > > Maneuver to the left, and forward,
   > > > > > into a mud soaked future.
   > > >
   > > > Will Dockery
 >
 > Such as, would you have cut the "lost in the mirror'd rooms of a
 > craaaa-zy house", Cat?
 >
 > I can't see cutting that line, since it works well for both me *and*
 > the audiences over the years since 1998...
 >
 > Commentary welcome.
 >
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 > And his hair was perfect." -Warren Zevon
 >
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In article <1113526428.816807.136330.TakeThisOut@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the messenjah <c_lysaght.TakeThisOut@bikerider.com> said:

 >
 >
 > Barbara's Cat wrote:
  > > In article <1113507498.026418.232930.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
  > > the messenjah <theguyonthebike.TakeThisOut@veryfast.biz> said:
  > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > K. A. Cannon wrote:
   > > > > "the messenjah" <theguyonthebike.TakeThisOut@veryfast.biz> posted
   > > > > <1113499527.328429.179240.TakeThisOut@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> in
   > > > > rec.arts.poems on 14 Apr 2005 10:25:27 -0700:
   > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >j r sherman wrote:
   > > > > >> In article <20050414104118.753$77@newsreader.com>, Biljo White
   > > > > >says...
   > > > > >> >
   > > > > >> >"Will Dockery" <shamankickboxer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
   > > > > >> >
   > > > > >> >Will - I'll try to get to it in the next few days -- glad you
   > > > liked
   > > > > >my
   > > > > >> >previous comments.
   > > > > >> >
   > > > > >> >Ozzie
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> trust me, Ozzie, he didn't like your comments at all.
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> what's worse is that he won't follow a single bit of good
 > advice
   > > > you
   > > > > >gave him.
   > > > > >> wanting to write good poetry is not what dockery is about.
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> you gave him some really good advice, it's too bad he won't
 > follow
   > > > a
   > > > > >word of it.
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> j r sherman
   > > > > >
   > > > > >you're an asshole, j r.
   > > > >
   > > > > You're a cracker clown queer who rides a bike.
   > > >
   > > > Remember Kevin, while you're running errands for your Daddy inside
 > your
   > > > filthy factory in New Jersey, I'll be outside at a cafe having
 > lunch
   > > > with a beautiful woman in sunny Florida. Keep that in mind...
  > >
  > > Yeah, right. Transparent bullshit.
 >
 > You're just jealous...

Of a loser? Hardly.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:05:50 -0700, "pandora" <pandora.RemoveThis@peak.org>
wrote:

 >
 >"Will Dockery" <shamankickboxer.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 >news:1113526952.137808.243450@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
  >>
 >
  >>
  >> In fact, even your hated Pandora writes better poetry.
 >
 >Why, thank you will. I appreciate that. My poetry has been improving since
 >I left these newsgroups. My poetry critique group is much better at
 >critiquing than anyone here was.
  >> Hope this helps.
 >
 >It does. Indeed.
 >
 >Marg


Translation: Everyone in my new fluff group *just loves* everything I
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ggamble wrote:
 > On 14 Apr 2005 18:02:32 -0700, "Will Dockery" wrote:
 >
  > >In fact, even your hated Pandora writes better poetry.
 >
 > Yes Will, I'm sure you even believe that.

A rose is a rose is a rose, after all, and one trailer park smells as
*sweet* as another. As does sweat.

 > Your pal marty says he writes better poetry than Shakespeare.
 > Your pal marty says that you write better poetry than I.

Since you haven't the balls to post any, we'll never quite know the
answer to that one, will me, Mister Gas-fly Gamble?

 > You say that pandora/marg writes better poetry than Renay.

But which lady shoots better pool?

 > Pronouncements like these really only destroy the credibility of
 > whoever spouts them.
 >
 > But, that's quite a moot point since marty systematically destroyed
 > all his credibility starting about two years ago.
 >
 > And you never had any to begin with.

Yours is shot to Hell in a handbasket, as well, Gas-fly, just in case
you haven't noticed. But credibility here, among vote rigging hypocrits
and thieves of intellectual property, along with burn out cases such as
you and Jim, is a... joke, to put it kindly.

Post a poem, and we'll see how you fit on the level playing field. Or
not.

Your "low fuel" light is flashing on the Superinformation Highway:
Running On Empty, gas-fly.

 > Next, you'll say that chuckles writes better poetry than anyone here.
 > Then, chuckles will say that Walter Alter writes better poetry than
 > anyone here.

They *do* post poems, which you do *not*, Gas-fly.

 > No wait, he's already said that a couple of dozen times.
 >
 > Then someone will appear that appears to befriend you by either
 > sucking up to your gigantic ego, or pretending to.
 >
 > Then that person will write better poetry than anyone here,

The man that posts poetry here are the poets, and the jeering hecklers
sit at the back of the bus, old son.

That fact can't be changed by word play.

Hope this helps.

No, actually, I don't have a hope at all that you can be helped... your
day is passed, and we *will* bury you,

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On 14 Apr 2005 18:02:32 -0700, "Will Dockery"
<shamankickboxer RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:




 >In fact, even your hated Pandora writes better poetry.


Yes Will, I'm sure you even believe that.

Your pal marty says he writes better poetry than Shakespeare.
Your pal marty says that you write better poetry than I.
You say that pandora/marg writes better poetry than Renay.

Pronouncements like these really only destroy the credibility of
whoever spouts them.

But, that's quite a moot point since marty systematically destroyed
all his credibility starting about two years ago.

And you never had any to begin with.

Next, you'll say that chuckles writes better poetry than anyone here.
Then, chuckles will say that Walter Alter writes better poetry than
anyone here.

No wait, he's already said that a couple of dozen times.

Then someone will appear that appears to befriend you by either
sucking up to your gigantic ego, or pretending to.

Then that person will write better poetry than anyone here, according
to you.

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In article <1113544886.340237.232050.DeleteThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Will Dockery <shamankickboxer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> said:

 > we *will* bury you

<snicker> As usual, your megalomania psychosis is amusing.

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Barbara's Cat wrote:
 > In article <1113544886.340237.232050.DeleteThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
 > Will Dockery <shamankickboxer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> said:
 >
 >
  >>we *will* bury you
 >
 >
 > <snicker> As usual, your megalomania psychosis is amusing.
 >

A slight difference in diagnosis, but I've always viewed Will's
condition as being a case of septic megallochianti with a soupcon of
bean and bacon.

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Barbara's Cat wrote:
 > Will Dockery said:
 >
  > > we *will* bvry yov
 >
 > <snicker> As vsval, yovr megalomania psychosis is amvsing.

Actvally, that was a nostalgic homage to the Cold War:

November 1956

Dvring a diplomatic reception at the Kremlin, Soviet Premier Nikita
Khrvshchev told Western diplomats:

"Abovt the capitalist states, it doesn't depend on yov whether we
(Soviet Union) exist. If yov don't like vs, don't accept ovr
invitations, and don't invite vs to come to see yov. Whether yov like
it ovr not, history is on ovr side. We will bvry yov."

In 1959, while attending the American National Exhibition in Moscow,
Vice-President Nixon, recalling Khrvshchev's prediction that ovr
grandchildren will live vnder commvnism, stated:

"Let me say that we don't object to his saying this will happen. We
only object if he tries to bring it abovt... We prefer ovr system. Bvt
the very essence of ovr belief is that we do not and will not try to
impose ovr system on anybody else. We believe that yov and all other
peoples on this earth shovld have the right to choose the kind of
economic or political system which best fits yovr particvlar problems
withovt any foreign intervention."

Hope this helps.

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Dale Houstman wrote:
 > Will Dockery wrote:
   > >>
   > >>>we *will* bury you
   > >>
   > >><snicker> As usual, your megalomania psychosis is amusing.
  > >
  > > Actually, that was a nostalgic homage to the Cold War:
 >
 > So? It is the context in which YOU used it, not the context in which
it
 > was created that matters here.

I prefer being Kruschev to your Nixon.

 > I write: "You're a drunken moron with the ethical intelligence of a
slug
 > soaked in LSD. Someday I will bugger you with an entrenching tool."
 >
 > You write: "As usual - hic - your ancillary - hic - acidity is
amusing."
 >
 > I write: "Actually, that was a nostalgic homage to a Chicago street
person."

Your nostalgic homage to Andy Warhol in an earlier post was better.

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In article <425FC091.2040208.TakeThisOut@skypoint.com>,
Dale Houstman <dmh7.TakeThisOut@skypoint.com> said:

 >
 >
 > Barbara's Cat wrote:
  > > In article <1113544886.340237.232050.TakeThisOut@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
  > > Will Dockery <shamankickboxer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> said:
  > >
  > >
   > >>we *will* bury you
  > >
  > >
  > > <snicker> As usual, your megalomania psychosis is amusing.
  > >
 >
 > A slight difference in diagnosis, but I've always viewed Will's
 > condition as being a case of septic megallochianti with a soupcon of
 > bean and bacon.

RAP/AAPC Whine Tasting Summary --
Name: Gemito di Dockery Chianti, aka "Pizza Whine"
Sight: Dull haze, lacking brilliance. Points = 0.
Aroma: Unappetizing, rank smell of sour grapes. Points = 0.
Flavor: Dry, lacks body, flabby, heavy aftertaste. Points = 0.
Overall Impression: Unpleasant, unappealing, rather simple,
not worth another sip; in short: unlikable. Points = 0.
Total Points: 0, zip, nada, naught -- a first ever Parker zero.

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Renay wrote:
 > "Will Dockery" wrote
   > >>
   > >> >>But, he will repost everything he's ever typed.
   > >> >
   > >> >yes, over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and
  > > over again.
   > >> >
   > >> >but i'm curious as to why he's not responded to my question about
  > > how he is able
   > >> >to determine the quality of Ms Renay as a poet by reading only
one
  > > of her
   > >> >poems....yet then say we can't determine the quality of a poet by
  > > reading just
   > >> >one of their poems?
   > >>
   > >> Well, if his past behavior is any indication, he'd probably
respond
  > > by
   > >> saying that he's never posted any comment on Renay's poems, and
he's
   > >> never read any of Renay's poems
  > >
  > > Wrong, as usual, Gas-fly.
  > >
  > > Instead, I posted the link to the Google archives of her poems,
where
  > > I've read about a dozen:
  > >
  > >
<http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=author:gundersr%40ccmail.orst.edu+>
 >
 > Feb 16, 1994
 > Jan 11, 1994
 > Dec 12, 1993
 > Jul 27, 1993
 > May 20, 1993
 > etc.
 >
 > pathetic

In some ways the Saint Venus poetry collection has a "pathetic" aspect,
as most poetry in the "navel gazing confessional soap opera swipe"
genre does, but that's actually a part of the *charm* of it, since the
readers, the target audience of this type of poetry enjoy a bit of
"pathos" mixed in between the jeers, sneers and chair throwing.

Ah, the humanity of two skanky poetesses just fucken around, the
luaghter *and* tears...

And lots of "heart and soul".

Hope this helps.

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