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  > > On the list of King's books that precedes the title page, there are a
 > number
  > > of books which have been 'boldfaced' and noted at the bottom as 'Dark
 > Tower
  > > related.'
  > > Many of them, we already knew, such as The Stand, Eyes of the Dragon,
 > Hearts
  > > of Atlantis, Salem's Lot, Insomnia...but, included on the list are also:
  > > Desperation, Rose Madder, Regulators, Buick 8, and It...did I miss
obvious
  > > DT references in those books, or is the payoff coming later, and this is
  > > simply foreshadowing? Any ideas?
  > >
 > Well just going off my memory I'll see if I can get all of these right.
 > Desperation and The Regulators, both have Tak and can tah, and those were
 > mentioned in Wizard and Glass. Rose Madder, believe it might just be the
 > other world that the Bull and rose live in are close to the Roland's.
From
 > a Buick 8, has a doorway to another world. It of course has the Turtle
 > which is one of the guardian of the beams in Roland's world.
 >
 > Whew! all that and I didn't even pull out my copy of The Stephen King
 > Universe. Of course I probably got quite a few of them wrong. Anyone
want
 > to give me a hand?
 >
 > Joe


 >

well ypu can also go more than level removed. for instance IT takes place in
derry, which is where insomnia takes place, insomnia being directly related
to the dark tower (more so than it anyway i think). same for rose madder,
where lud i believe is mentioned or alluded to, desperation/regulators can
therefore be attached as they have a common character to rose madder. i
always thought the tak conection, while there, was kind of tenous


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   > > > On the list of King's books that precedes the title page, there are a
  > > number
   > > > of books which have been 'boldfaced' and noted at the bottom as 'Dark
  > > Tower
   > > > related.'
   > > > Many of them, we already knew, such as The Stand, Eyes of the Dragon,
  > > Hearts
   > > > of Atlantis, Salem's Lot, Insomnia...but, included on the list are
also:
   > > > Desperation, Rose Madder, Regulators, Buick 8, and It...did I miss
 > obvious
   > > > DT references in those books, or is the payoff coming later, and this
is
   > > > simply foreshadowing? Any ideas?
   > > >
  > > Well just going off my memory I'll see if I can get all of these right.
  > > Desperation and The Regulators, both have Tak and can tah, and those
were
  > > mentioned in Wizard and Glass. Rose Madder, believe it might just be
the
  > > other world that the Bull and rose live in are close to the Roland's.
 > From
  > > a Buick 8, has a doorway to another world. It of course has the Turtle
  > > which is one of the guardian of the beams in Roland's world.
  > >
  > > Whew! all that and I didn't even pull out my copy of The Stephen King
  > > Universe. Of course I probably got quite a few of them wrong. Anyone
 > want
  > > to give me a hand?
  > >
  > > Joe
 >
 >
  > >
 >
 > well ypu can also go more than level removed. for instance IT takes place
in
 > derry, which is where insomnia takes place, insomnia being directly
related
 > to the dark tower (more so than it anyway i think). same for rose madder,
 > where lud i believe is mentioned or alluded to, desperation/regulators can
 > therefore be attached as they have a common character to rose madder. i
 > always thought the tak conection, while there, was kind of tenous
 >
 >
  > >
 >

Thanks deathboy, you're right, I had forgotten about the city of Lud being
in Rose Madder. What was the common character in Desperation/Regulators and
Rose Madder?

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   > > > > On the list of King's books that precedes the title page, there are
a
   > > > number
   > > > > of books which have been 'boldfaced' and noted at the bottom as
'Dark
   > > > Tower
   > > > > related.'
   > > > > Many of them, we already knew, such as The Stand, Eyes of the
Dragon,
   > > > Hearts
   > > > > of Atlantis, Salem's Lot, Insomnia...but, included on the list are
 > also:
   > > > > Desperation, Rose Madder, Regulators, Buick 8, and It...did I miss
  > > obvious
   > > > > DT references in those books, or is the payoff coming later, and
this
 > is
   > > > > simply foreshadowing? Any ideas?
   > > > >
   > > > Well just going off my memory I'll see if I can get all of these
right.
   > > > Desperation and The Regulators, both have Tak and can tah, and those
 > were
   > > > mentioned in Wizard and Glass. Rose Madder, believe it might just be
 > the
   > > > other world that the Bull and rose live in are close to the Roland's.
  > > From
   > > > a Buick 8, has a doorway to another world. It of course has the
Turtle
   > > > which is one of the guardian of the beams in Roland's world.
   > > >
   > > > Whew! all that and I didn't even pull out my copy of The Stephen King
   > > > Universe. Of course I probably got quite a few of them wrong. Anyone
  > > want
   > > > to give me a hand?
   > > >
   > > > Joe
  > >
  > >
   > > >
  > >
  > > well ypu can also go more than level removed. for instance IT takes
place
 > in
  > > derry, which is where insomnia takes place, insomnia being directly
 > related
  > > to the dark tower (more so than it anyway i think). same for rose
madder,
  > > where lud i believe is mentioned or alluded to, desperation/regulators
can
  > > therefore be attached as they have a common character to rose madder. i
  > > always thought the tak conection, while there, was kind of tenous
  > >
  > >
   > > >
  > >
 >
 > Thanks deathboy, you're right, I had forgotten about the city of Lud being
 > in Rose Madder. What was the common character in Desperation/Regulators
and
 > Rose Madder?
 >
 > Joe
 >
I dont recall her name, but it was the younger girl who was at the woman's
shelter in rose madder who was also in desp/regulators.

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 >well ypu can also go more than level removed. for instance IT takes place in
 >derry, which is where insomnia takes place, insomnia being directly related
 >to the dark tower (more so than it anyway i think)

Its funny but I rarely hear mention or tie in of the Turtle who played a big
part in IT... and even the *deadlights*. The Turtle is of course a direct DT
connection... and I would Imagine Pennywise himself... am I reaching too far
here?

Stacey
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  > >well ypu can also go more than level removed. for instance IT takes place
in
  > >derry, which is where insomnia takes place, insomnia being directly
related
  > >to the dark tower (more so than it anyway i think)
 >
 > Its funny but I rarely hear mention or tie in of the Turtle who played a
big
 > part in IT... and even the *deadlights*. The Turtle is of course a direct
DT
 > connection... and I would Imagine Pennywise himself... am I reaching too
far
 > here?
 >
 > Stacey
 > Hearken to Justice, do not let excess wax strong.
 > -Hesiod-

well you'e probably right about the turtle, but at the same time, theres
lots of turtles in the world, so if it was just a matter of the turtle i'd
say it could be a reference or it could be coincidence. the turtle plus the
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 >Thanks deathboy, you're right, I had forgotten about the city of Lud being
 >in Rose Madder. What was the common character in Desperation/Regulators and
 >Rose Madder?
 >
 >Joe

Cynthia (her last name escapes now)

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  > >Thanks deathboy, you're right, I had forgotten about the city of Lud
being
  > >in Rose Madder. What was the common character in Desperation/Regulators
and
  > >Rose Madder?
  > >
  > >Joe
 >
 > Cynthia (her last name escapes now)
 >
 > Stacey
 > Hearken to Justice, do not let excess wax strong.
 > -Hesiod-

That's right, I remember her now. Thanks Stacey. Good things this isn't
what my master's thesis is about.

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In article <bo0hhf02v0e.DeleteThis@enews3.newsguy.com>,
"Joseph Otterstrom" <otterstr.DeleteThis@nsuok.edu> wrote:

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   > > >Thanks deathboy, you're right, I had forgotten about the city of Lud
 > being
   > > >in Rose Madder. What was the common character in Desperation/Regulators
 > and
   > > >Rose Madder?
   > > >
   > > >Joe
  > >
  > > Cynthia (her last name escapes now)
  > >
  > > Stacey
  > > Hearken to Justice, do not let excess wax strong.
  > > -Hesiod-
 >
 > That's right, I remember her now. Thanks Stacey. Good things this isn't
 > what my master's thesis is about.

I haven't read the Regulators, and I don't really remember Desperation
very well, but I'm in the middle of Wolves of the Calla right now, and
within the "Low Men" from Hearts of Atlantis are referred to as
"Regulators". Are the Low Men the same characters from Regulators?

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 > I haven't read the Regulators, and I don't really remember Desperation
 > very well, but I'm in the middle of Wolves of the Calla right now, and
 > within the "Low Men" from Hearts of Atlantis are referred to as
 > "Regulators". Are the Low Men the same characters from Regulators?
 >
 > -Jeremy

That'a a good connection...that hadn't occured to me at all (or I didn't
remember it, anyway)...I knew about Derry and It and Insomnia, and I guess
Bag of Bones (which was also on the list) fits into that 'universe' as
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 > I haven't read the Regulators, and I don't really remember Desperation
 > very well, but I'm in the middle of Wolves of the Calla right now, and
 > within the "Low Men" from Hearts of Atlantis are referred to as
 > "Regulators". Are the Low Men the same characters from Regulators?
 >
 > -Jeremy

I'm re-reading W&G and just noticed that the Big Coffin Hunters are also
referred to as 'regulators'.

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 >lots of turtles in the world, so if it was just a matter of the turtle i'd
 >say it could be a reference or it could be coincidence. the turtle plus the

An enormous one to be exact with universes swirling in its fingernails (I dont
remember the actually quote as Bill is *flung* towards the deadlights)... See
the Turtle of enormous girth....

I think Derry is actually the Portal of the Turtle... but I guess we'll see.

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 > On the list of King's books that precedes the title page, there are a number
 > of books which have been 'boldfaced' and noted at the bottom as 'Dark Tower
 > related.'
 > Many of them, we already knew, such as The Stand, Eyes of the Dragon, Hearts
 > of Atlantis, Salem's Lot, Insomnia...but, included on the list are also:
 > Desperation, Rose Madder, Regulators, Buick 8, and It...did I miss obvious
 > DT references in those books, or is the payoff coming later, and this is
 > simply foreshadowing? Any ideas?


-Rose Madder. The servant of Rose Madder in the "alternate universe"
talks about Lud and having seen the bodies on the poles.
-It is directly related to Insomnia (The destruction at the end of It
is discussed at the beginning of the book). Also, I believe someone
in Insomnia sees a clown in a sewer grate.
-Desperation and Regulators are linked. I believe the "language of
the unformed" that Tak speaks is repeated in Black House.
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 > Its funny but I rarely hear mention or tie in of the Turtle who played a big
 > part in IT... and even the *deadlights*. The Turtle is of course a direct DT
 > connection... and I would Imagine Pennywise himself... am I reaching too far
 > here?
 > Stacey

I just finished re-reading _The Gunslinger_ (the revised edition,
this time) and if you read the description of where Marten sort of
flings/drags Roland out into the universe, it is *very* reminiscent
of the scene in _IT_ where Bill and Pennywise are doing the rite of
chud. There's a bit about curved walls and what might be outside
them. Very evocative of _IT_, anyway. I've often wondered about
Pennywise, myself. Although, I think he's a bit like Tak rather than
a major part of the story (unless the Tak-like creatures become
important later, which is possible). Interesting idea in your next
message, too, about Derry being the Portal of the Turtle. Don't know
how that'd fit in anywhere, but it's fun to think about. *grin*

Speaking of the revised edition, I can't figure out what all the fuss
is about! I only found one thing that wasn't made more clear by the
changes. I can't remember exactly what it was, at the moment, but it
seemed like just something that should have been taken out or amended
and wasn't. I think Jake was responding to something Roland said in
the original version, but Roland's comment had been taken out.
Anyway, I did notice most of the changes (after all, I do a re-read
once a year or so - or, at least read the bits I like and skim the
bits I remember, but which weren't all that interesting), but I only
saw the one problem where I sort of went, 'Huh? Did I miss a
paragraph?'

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