Elven Ring Question...

I Just want to make sure that my memory is correct, as I start my
annual end of year reading of LoTR.

1) Sauron learned ring lore from Aule, the great smith.
2) Sauron imparted enough of the lore to the elves so that they
created a number of magical rings, the first where "Just essays of the
craft" but then the Rings of Power where made. Sauron had direct
input on the Nine for Humans, and the seven for the Dwarves.
Celebrimbore created the three elven rings without the direct help of
sauron (but due to using knowledge from Sauron, these rings where
currupted to a lesser extent to the plans of Sauron)
3) The Rings of Power are used for a while
4) Sauron creates the One Ring, to bind all the other Rings of power
to his control. The elves sense this, and take off the rings, and
they are given to three Elven Elders (Cirdan, Gil-galad, and
Galadriel ) to be hidden. Humans fall to his power; Dwarves do not,
but become very greedy.
5) Sauron obtains all nine human rings of power (Wraths) and in the
end, all the dwarven Rings (Some where eaten by Dragons) yet he unable
to get the elven rings.
6) the Great war, and the One ring is cut from Saurons hand, and in
the end, becomes lost.
7) The elves use the three rings again, due to the one ring being
lost. Elrond has the one from Gil-Galad, Gandalf has Cirdan's, and
Galadriel still has hers.
after the one ring is eliminated, the rings loose their power.


(Is the above correct?)

and secondly, does anyone else think that Celeborn married well above
his pay grade?

"DrGong" skrev i meddelelsen


>I Just want to make sure that my memory is correct, as I start my
> annual end of year reading of LoTR.

> 1) Sauron learned ring lore from Aule, the great smith.

And probably also some of it from Morgoth. Aulë was not the
dominance-fixated charlie foxtrot that Morgoth was. Morgoth put his might
into all the stuff of Arda, making it his ring. His greatest pupil did the
same but only into a gold ring - apparently gold was one of the substances
that received most of the Morgoth-essence, for which reason Sauron could not
as easily have made his Ruling Ring out of silver or brass.

> 2) Sauron imparted enough of the lore to the elves so that they
> created a number of magical rings, the first where "Just essays of the
> craft" but then the Rings of Power where made. Sauron had direct
> input on the Nine for Humans, and the seven for the Dwarves.
> Celebrimbore created the three elven rings without the direct help of
> sauron (but due to using knowledge from Sauron, these rings where
> currupted to a lesser extent to the plans of Sauron)

It seems in some versions of he story that the Nine and the Seven were
originally simply the Sixteen. They were of lesser potency than the Three
or else special in other ways, since Celebrimbor yielded them under
torture - unless Sauron simply found them because the Mírdain had not
bothered to squirrel them away - but endured torture against yielding the
Three. Sauron then modified the Sixteen, corrupting them, and handed them
out, nine to Men and seven to Dwarves - probably because there were seven
Houses of the Dwarves, and the remaining nine could go to Men.
In one version (see the confused and tangled tales of Galadriel in
Unfinished Tales) the Seven and the Nine were distinct from the beginning.
Sauron took the Nine when he ransacked the house of the Mírdain, and
tormented the seven out of Celebrimbor, but the Three he would not yield,
for they were made by him alone and for a different purpose.

> 3) The Rings of Power are used for a while

Possibly all the nineteen rings were used, not only the ones that were
later known as the Three.

> 4) Sauron creates the One Ring, to bind all the other Rings of power
> to his control. The elves sense this, and take off the rings, and
> they are given to three Elven Elders (Cirdan, Gil-galad, and
> Galadriel ) to be hidden. Humans fall to his power; Dwarves do not,
> but become very greedy.

Sauron made the One before he took the Sixteen. He made the One, the
Elves slipped unexpectedly from his dominance, and in his wrath he assailed
Eregion and tried to take all the rings. As mentioned above he took the
Sixteen but could not "persuade" Celebrimbor into yielding him the Three.
*Then* he corrupted the Seven and the Nine even more than they already were
and handed them out.

> 5) Sauron obtains all nine human rings of power (Wraths) and in the
> end, all the dwarven Rings (Some where eaten by Dragons) yet he unable
> to get the elven rings.

Yes. By taking back the Nine after they had done their work - enslaved
the nine kings and sorcerors and turned them into Nazgûl - he kept them
enslaved even after he lost the One. Since the Dwarves who held the Seven
were never enslaved by them, they were "only" killed under torment when he
took back those Rings.

> 6) the Great war, and the One ring is cut from Saurons hand, and in
> the end, becomes lost.

Temporarily freeing the Three, but not the Nine. I don't know if he had
retrieved the Nine before losing the One, or he managed to use the native
power that was left to him to do so after.

> 7) The elves use the three rings again, due to the one ring being
> lost. Elrond has the one from Gil-Galad, Gandalf has Cirdan's, and
> Galadriel still has hers.

A bit chancy, since we learn that Sauron finding the One again means that
all that has been wrought with the Three since its making will be laid open
to him and the wielders of the Three will become more vulnerable to him than
ever.

> after the one ring is eliminated, the rings loose their power.

Yes.

> and secondly, does anyone else think that Celeborn married well above
> his pay grade?

Of course. Just as Thingol did. And Aragorn. Tuor did. Turin would
have, had he gone with Finduilas. Imrazôr did, marrying Mithrellas. Eöl
certainly did. Half the men marry above their station, the other half their
equals, unlike, apparently, in our world.

Corbie.