Empire From the Ashes

deowll wrote:
> "Offbreed" <offbreed_106 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6bKdnf80d7aBPZ3ZRVn-iw@scnresearch.com...
> > Loren Pechtel wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, the shrub is using classification to hide unpleasant facts.
> >> That's not relevant to the issue at hand.
> >
> > The fedgov is also trying to classify stuff useful to the terrorists. The
> > effort can be compared to defenders switching roadsigns around to confuse
> > invaders.
>
> Which is often very dubious in practice because other governments haven't
> classified it. At one time some news people found out the best way to find
> out about American top secret projects and bases was to ask the Soviets. At
> the moment you could most likely find most of this stuff by asking Google.
> If that failed try a French based search engine.

And then there"Jane's"
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deowll wrote:

> A lot of nortan sights went down over Germany. When did it stop being top
> secret?

Unless the bobardier was dead before the plane went in, they got
nothing useable of the Norton -- my dad was an iordnance tech in the
Air Corps in WW2 and the Norton had two or three marks on the case
where the bombardier was to put .45 rounds in before he hit the silk,
to destroy the mechanism.
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JIMBO wrote:
> Hi. it's been a while since I read the book, but wasn't there a couple of
> fighters left lying dead in space somewhere, around the orbit of mars, if
> so they would be easier to find and retrieve I would think

One for sure. However, it had a high velocity in an unknown direction,
so it's probably headed out system by the time Milla killed the Troll.

They'd want to find it even if they had the life craft (with complete
library) in hand.
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deowll wrote:

> I agree but that wasn't the first nuke. Of course if what you get is a brief
> flash locating it might be a tad of a problem unless you have several
> sensors. Even if you get the exact direction it might not be clear how far.

True, not the first.

Phased antenna arrays are inherently directional, and I think I'm going
to have to let someone with current knowledge of antenna design handle
specifics on this further. I've seen RDFs on commercial boats that would
handle pointing to a burst from a random direction. Hunter-killers like
the Kanga would have equipment at least that good.

The Kanga might also see some of the space battles (no Compton Effect in
space to magnify the EMP), and that would allow DW to do more than
simply snuff the Kanga when they show up. If he writes a sequel in his
copious spare time <G>.
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deowll wrote:

> A lot of nortan sights went down over Germany. When did it stop being top
> secret?

The basics regarding optics was not a secret. How the optics were put
together to make a Nordens was.
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forkliftramp.com wrote:

> on the other hand whether you can blame the shrub for this is fairly
> iffy as it very well may be papershufflers at the intel agencies etc
> simply taking advantage of the paranoia to indulge their penchant for
> secrecy.

Assorted bloggers are also contending that the careerists in State and
the CIA are also doing all they can to embarrass Bush.

This may or may not be the case, as I seem to remember some embarrassing
leaks under Clinton.
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:17:33 -0800, Offbreed
<offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Since it's one of the most important artifacts on Earth they'll find
>> it if they have to scour 100 square miles inch by inch.
>
>I agree they are going to try to find it. They are going to have to
>search a heck of a lot more than just 100 square miles, though. That's a
>mere 10 mile by 10 mile area, less than the margin of error for Aston's
>/surface/ position when he rescued Ludmilla.

I had forgotten that he wouldn't know exactly where he was after the
EMP fried everything.
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:10:42 +0000 (UTC), "JIMBO"
<jim.chris.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Hi. it's been a while since I read the book, but wasn't there a couple of
>fighters left lying dead in space somewhere, around the orbit of mars, if
>so they would be easier to find and retrieve I would think

Mars?! They're several light-months out! Remember, everything's all
over and settled, they're under their new identities and she's
pregnant enough to buldge a bit before the flash from the destruction
of the capital ships reaches Earth. Most of the dead fighters will be
there.
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:21:54 -0800, Offbreed
<offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Loren Pechtel wrote:
>
>> How in the world are they going to notice that? They are many
>> lightyears out--they won't see anything as puny as a nuke.
>>
>> Remember, also, they didn't speak any terrestial languages. They
>> aren't going to understand the transmissions they did pick up.
>
>A nuke throws an electro magnetic pulse, that's a broad band radio
>pulse, stronger than every signal transmitted on the planet put
>together. If the Kanga can pick up any transmissions, they can certainly
>pick up that EMP.

But it's broad spectrum. They won't pick it up.
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On 26 Feb 2006 03:09:29 -0800, "mike weber" <fairportfan DeleteThis @gmail.com>
allegedly declared to alt.books.david-weber...
>deowll wrote:
>> A lot of nortan sights went down over Germany. When did it stop being top
>> secret?
>
>Unless the bobardier was dead before the plane went in, they got
>nothing useable of the Norton -- my dad was an iordnance tech in the
>Air Corps in WW2 and the Norton had two or three marks on the case
>where the bombardier was to put .45 rounds in before he hit the silk,
>to destroy the mechanism.

Nit-Pick: "Norden"

Gym "Not to be confused with Peter Norton's products in any way." Quirk

--
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com
Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <SfGdnStwv7u7cpzZRVn-ig.RemoveThis@scnresearch.com>,
> Offbreed <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Assorted bloggers are also contending that the careerists in State
>> and the CIA are also doing all they can to embarrass Bush.
>
> All they have to do is be honest and truthful.

How do you know this? The news media?
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deowll wrote:

>
> True but it would be about the most likely way to get near enough they
> might actually hit you.

If I remember correctly, the story ends shortly after the pilot 'buzzes'
a flight of airplanes. The good news is that he destroyed them with his
supersonic shock wave. The bad news is that he FOD's [*] his engine, and
has to eject.

[*] FOD = Foreign Object Damage.
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