The End of Eternity

At the end of the End of Eternity, Noys Lambent and Andrew Harlan erase
Eternity from the timeline by deciding not to rescue Cooper from the
20th century. However, they are protected from the Reality Change by a
physiotime field.

If any Eternity personnel were in Reality at the time of the Noys/Andrew
Change, and were protected by physiotime fields, would they have been
protected from the Change also? If so, how would they have coped with
the sudden shift to a mostly radioactive Earth?
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David Johnston wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:35:27 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >At the end of the End of Eternity, Noys Lambent and Andrew Harlan erase
> >Eternity from the timeline by deciding not to rescue Cooper from the
> >20th century. However, they are protected from the Reality Change by a
> >physiotime field.
> >
> >If any Eternity personnel were in Reality at the time of the Noys/Andrew
> >Change, and were protected by physiotime fields, would they have been
> >protected from the Change also? If so, how would they have coped with
> >the sudden shift to a mostly radioactive Earth?
>
> I'm guessing they would have died.

Now consider the fate of any Eternity personnel who were in time periods
preceding the massive increase in Earth's radioactivity, and therefore
wouldn't die of radiation poisoning. How would they cope with the
change in
their surroundings?
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David Johnston wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:27:53 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >> >Was it a good time to run an "Investments Newsletter"?
> >>
> >> Since it really wasn't an investments newsletter, that doesn't matter.
> >
> >Cooper would need to make the newsletter realistic to avoid rousing suspicion
> >among the Primitives.
>
> Suspicion of what?

That he's insane, incompetent, or a criminal. Also, the newsletter would have to
be realistic so that people would continue buying it.
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chornedsnorkack DeleteThis @hushmail.com wrote:

> David Johnston wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:09:19 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard DeleteThis @brazee.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> > ><tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> > >>to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> > >>million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
> > >
> > >While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> > >nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> > >their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> > >still be in charge.
> >
> > 12.5 million years? Not a bad run really. A lot of species don't
> > make it that long.
>
> Is there any technical reason why it should be impossible to have both
> Eternity and Galactic Empire?

How would the Eternals keep track of history on 25 million worlds?
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>The memoir, of course, gave Twissell much guidance in
>how to send Cooper back in time. I wonder how the time loop ever got
>started.

Why would it need to 'start'?

Dave "and Tim, if you learn only ONE thing this year PLEASE make it 'how to
snip unneeded material out of posts you're replying to'" DeLaney
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in news:46760D88.485049C2
@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:

> Which wars would you prevent, and how?

I would prevent the War of Jenkins' Ear, by preventing his ear from being
cut off. The reason why is that it is silly. Then I would stop the Soccer
War, by cancelling the North American qualifying round for the World Cup.
Who the hell needs soccer, anyway?

Then I would stop some more serious wars. For instance, I would cancel the
Hundred Years' War and the Thirty Years' War on the grounds that they take
too long. I would also cancel the War of the Roses for both reasons--it
takes too long, and roses are a silly thing to fight about.
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Gene Ward Smith wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in news:46760D88.485049C2
> @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
>
> > Which wars would you prevent, and how?
>
> I would prevent the War of Jenkins' Ear, by preventing his ear from being
> cut off. The reason why is that it is silly. Then I would stop the Soccer
> War, by cancelling the North American qualifying round for the World Cup.
> Who the hell needs soccer, anyway?

When did the Soccer War take place? I don't recall that war. I do recall the
other wars you mentioned.

> Then I would stop some more serious wars. For instance, I would cancel the
> Hundred Years' War and the Thirty Years' War on the grounds that they take
> too long. I would also cancel the War of the Roses for both reasons--it
> takes too long, and roses are a silly thing to fight about.

Okay, HOW would you prevent the above named wars?
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
news:4676165B.C49A184D@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:

> When did the Soccer War take place? I don't recall that war. I do
> recall the other wars you mentioned.

1969. The contestants were Honduras and El Salvador.
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Gene Ward Smith wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
> news:4676165B.C49A184D@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
>
> > When did the Soccer War take place? I don't recall that war. I do
> > recall the other wars you mentioned.
>
> 1969. The contestants were Honduras and El Salvador.

How would canceling the North American qualifying round for the World Cup
have prevented the Soccer War? How would you have canceled that round?

How would you stop the loss of Jenkin's ear?
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:38:33 UTC, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> I have heard many politicians express opposition to wasting taxpayer
> money on
> space when there are so many problems at home to solve. Few politicians
> can see
> a decade into the future, let alone 12.5 million years!

I have yet seen any politician that could see past the next election
let alone the next decade.


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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:31:21 -0400, dbd.TakeThisOut@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:

>Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>The memoir, of course, gave Twissell much guidance in
>>how to send Cooper back in time. I wonder how the time loop ever got
>>started.
>
>Why would it need to 'start'?
>
>Dave "and Tim, if you learn only ONE thing this year PLEASE make it 'how to
> snip unneeded material out of posts you're replying to'" DeLaney

Disagree. If he learns only ONE thing this year, it ought to be how
to stop replying 5 times to the same post.
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Among the most important people in Isaac Asimov's Eternal society are
the Technicians, who calculate the Minimum Necessary Change to produce
the desired Reality Changes. No Section has enough Technicians.
Eternity does have matter duplicators, which it used to create Sections
all the way to the end of the Earth. The duplicators can even duplicate
people! I suggest putting Andrew Harlan and other top Technicians into
a matter duplicator to create as many Technicians as needed.

Eternity also has a severe shortage of women, so I suggest duplicating
the Timer women who work temporarily in Eternity, rescuing women from
disaster a la Millennium, and also growing babies in artificial womb
obtained from the 482nd Century.
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In article <TECQXhvKj0FX-pn2-vqV1Fe1H7VyK@dsl-
206-55-144-107.tstonramp.com>, Robert Blair <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.not> writes
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:38:33 UTC, Tim Bruening
><tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> I have heard many politicians express opposition to wasting taxpayer
>> money on
>> space when there are so many problems at home to solve. Few politicians
>> can see
>> a decade into the future, let alone 12.5 million years!
>
>I have yet seen any politician that could see past the next election
>let alone the next decade.
>
>
Be careful what you wish for...
Politicians who see past the next election may
a) Divert significant percentages of their country's GDP to an overseas
bank account
b) Ensure that there is no next election
c) Decide to earn their place in history by doing something spectacular
that the stupid population can't see is needed, such as completely
rewriting the labour relations laws, imposing a per-capita tax to fund
local government from which their party will take little benefit but all
the blame, or deciding to fix all the problems of the world. Whether the
rest of the world likes it or not. By force.

Curiously enough, (a) appears to be the least damaging option. Perhaps
modern western democracies have more to learn from other traditions than
they would like to admit

OBSF: I think the machinations revealed part way through "Shards of
Honour" are of the correct scale. I'd like to see this mechanism fund
technology, but I think the timescale is too short; anything launched by
a single politician at the end of their term will only have a short few
glorious years before the inevitable collapse. Michael Flynn's FireStar
series books have a technical revolution funded by a billionaire with a
phobia, possibly linked to sexual cold feet.
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A.G.McDowell
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