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thulemanden

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:55 am
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Could Hari Seldon from Asimov's Foundation series be based on Arthur
C. Clarke?

The thought occurred to me while reading Foundations Triumph by David
Brin where Seldon is placed in a wheelchair like Clarke seems to be in
his lifes winter. Clarke claims to have invented the satellite while
Seldon claims to have invented psychohistory.

Any clues to it?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:30 am
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thulemanden.TakeThisOut@staroffice.com (Thulemanden) writes:

 >Could Hari Seldon from Asimov's Foundation series be based on Arthur
 >C. Clarke?

 >The thought occurred to me while reading Foundations Triumph by David
 >Brin where Seldon is placed in a wheelchair like Clarke seems to be in
 >his lifes winter. Clarke claims to have invented the satellite while
 >Seldon claims to have invented psychohistory.

 >Any clues to it?


Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
in a wheelchair.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:23 am
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David Lesher wrote:
 > thulemanden RemoveThis @staroffice.com (Thulemanden) writes:
 >
  >> Could Hari Seldon from Asimov's Foundation series be based on Arthur
  >> C. Clarke?
 >
  >> The thought occurred to me while reading Foundations Triumph by David
  >> Brin where Seldon is placed in a wheelchair like Clarke seems to be
  >> in his lifes winter. Clarke claims to have invented the satellite
  >> while Seldon claims to have invented psychohistory.
 >
  >> Any clues to it?
 >
 >
 > Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
 > in a wheelchair.


That is a bet you would win. The first foundation book I believe came out
in the 40's......<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:50 am
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In <bS%7d.104970$wV.51076@attbi_s54> "L Alpert" <alpertl RemoveThis @xxcomcast.net> writes:
  >>
  >> Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
  >> in a wheelchair.

 >That is a bet you would win. The first foundation book I believe came out
 >in the 40's......

"Foundation", published by Gnome Press, 1951

(with thanks to <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://asimovonline.com/oldsite/asimov_titles.html" target="_blank">http://asimovonline.com/oldsite/asimov_titles.html</a> for
saving me a walk to my booksehlf...)


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:50 am
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In article <cjq6nu$fj9$1@reader2.panix.com>,
danny burstein <dannyb RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote:

 > In <bS%7d.104970$wV.51076@attbi_s54> "L Alpert" <alpertl RemoveThis @xxcomcast.net>
 > writes:
   > >>
   > >> Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
   > >> in a wheelchair.
 >
  > >That is a bet you would win. The first foundation book I believe came out
  > >in the 40's......
 >
 > "Foundation", published by Gnome Press, 1951

Most of the contents of _Foundation_ had appeared earlier in
Astounding SF from 1941 to 1944. For that matter, the contents of
_Foundation and Empire_ and _Second Foundation_ were first
published in ASF as well (1945-1950).

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:56 am
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danny burstein wrote:
 > In <bS%7d.104970$wV.51076@attbi_s54> "L Alpert"
 > <alpertl RemoveThis @xxcomcast.net> writes:
   >>>
   >>> Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
   >>> in a wheelchair.
 >
  >> That is a bet you would win. The first foundation book I believe
  >> came out in the 40's......
 >
 > "Foundation", published by Gnome Press, 1951
 >
 > (with thanks to <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://asimovonline.com/oldsite/asimov_titles.html" target="_blank">http://asimovonline.com/oldsite/asimov_titles.html</a> for
 > saving me a walk to my booksehlf...)

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:05 pm
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"Thulemanden" <thulemanden.DeleteThis@staroffice.com>  wrote:
 >Could Hari Seldon from Asimov's Foundation series be based
on Arthur C. Clarke?

All the clues point away from Clarke and in an entirely different
direction.

The first "Foundation" story appeared in Astounding magazine in 1942
(and later formed the beginning of the Gnome Press novel of the same
name in 1951). In that year, Sir Arthur was not yet publishing
fiction and was not known to Asimov at all.

Sir Arthur didn't develop a reputation for prognostication until the
early 1960s (with "Profiles of the Future") and didn't start using a
wheelchair until the mid- to late 1980s. So he couldn't have been the
prototype for Selden, unless Asimov had one of those Baxter-Clarke
worm-cams.

Asimov was a voracious reader when he was young and, among his
readings were the works by another Sir Arthur – Conan Doyle. His
creation Sherlock Holmes was a man who could predict future events
through what ACD called deduction but was actually induction.

ACD's influence on Asimov shows up elsewhere. Asimov transformed the
Holmes-Watson duo into R. Daneel Olivaw and Lije Bailey for his
robot-detective tales, and Mycroft Holmes into Geoffrey Urth for
another series of mystery stories. Asimov in time became a member of
the Baker Street Irregulas of New York City, and attended meetings
until his death. One of his smaller works is a slim little work called
"Asimov's Sherlockian Limericks," in which he paraodies each of the
Holmes stories.

"Selden" is the name of a character in "The Hound of the
Baskervilles." And, of course, Hari Selden's initials, reversed, are
those of Sherlock Holmes.

Our Sir Arthur C. Clarke links:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jcsherwood/ACClinks2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jcsherwood/ACClinks2.htm</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:53 am
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Robert A. Woodward wrote:
 > In article <cjq6nu$fj9$1@reader2.panix.com>,
 > danny burstein <dannyb DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:
 >
  >> In <bS%7d.104970$wV.51076@attbi_s54> "L Alpert"
  >> <alpertl DeleteThis @xxcomcast.net> writes:
   >>>>
   >>>> Foundation etc. was written years, I bet decades, before Clarke was
   >>>> in a wheelchair.
  >>
   >>> That is a bet you would win. The first foundation book I believe
   >>> came out in the 40's......
  >>
  >> "Foundation", published by Gnome Press, 1951
 >
 > Most of the contents of _Foundation_ had appeared earlier in
 > Astounding SF from 1941 to 1944. For that matter, the contents of
 > _Foundation and Empire_ and _Second Foundation_ were first
 > published in ASF as well (1945-1950).

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:56 am
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In <cgm8d.121231$wV.71125@attbi_s54> "L Alpert" <alpertl.DeleteThis@xxcomcast.net> writes:
[ snip ]
  >> Most of the contents of _Foundation_ had appeared earlier in
  >> Astounding SF from 1941 to 1944. For that matter, the contents of
  >> _Foundation and Empire_ and _Second Foundation_ were first
  >> published in ASF as well (1945-1950).

 >I go from right to wrong and back to right in the space of a few days!

Have you considered politics?

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:56 am
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danny burstein wrote:
> In <cgm8d.121231$wV.71125@attbi_s54> "L Alpert"
> <alpertl DeleteThis @xxcomcast.net> writes: [ snip ]
>>> Most of the contents of _Foundation_ had appeared earlier in
>>> Astounding SF from 1941 to 1944. For that matter, the contents of
>>> _Foundation and Empire_ and _Second Foundation_ were first
>>> published in ASF as well (1945-1950).
>
>> I go from right to wrong and back to right in the space of a few
>> days!
>
> Have you considered politics?

My true calling?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:51 pm
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No Hari Seldon is Asimov's alter ego so to speak he has nothing to do
with Art Clark I mean why would Asimov a good writer honour a hack, by
the way he didn't invent the satellite he meerly postulated an idea
based upon known physics other people actually invented it, also
Seldon didn't actually invent psychohistory it was giskard from the
robots of dawn he placed the idea within Dr Falstoff's mind so the
future of the human race was cemented

Don't you just hate a smart arse

On 3 Oct 2004 05:55:15 -0700, thulemanden.RemoveThis@staroffice.com (Thulemanden)
wrote:

>Could Hari Seldon from Asimov's Foundation series be based on Arthur
>C. Clarke?
>
>The thought occurred to me while reading Foundations Triumph by David
>Brin where Seldon is placed in a wheelchair like Clarke seems to be in
>his lifes winter. Clarke claims to have invented the satellite while
>Seldon claims to have invented psychohistory.
>
>Any clues to it?
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