Heavy-Worlders and the square-cube scaling

"Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote
> Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
> logical.
> Walt BJ

But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
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"Paul F Austin" <pfaustin.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote
>> Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
>> logical.
>> Walt BJ
>
> But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
>

Now I can't help picturing her with an ax instead of a gun in the
replacement arm. And a beard.

gS
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gS49 wrote:
> "Paul F Austin" <pfaustin.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> "Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote
>>> Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
>>> logical.
>>> Walt BJ
>> But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
>>
>
> Now I can't help picturing her with an ax instead of a gun in the
> replacement arm. And a beard.


A switchblade ax in her forearm?
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"Offbreed" <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> gS49 wrote:
>> "Paul F Austin" <pfaustin.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>> Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
>>>> logical.
>>>> Walt BJ
>>> But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
>>>
>>
>> Now I can't help picturing her with an ax instead of a gun in the
>> replacement arm. And a beard.
>
>
> A switchblade ax in her forearm?

That'd be more of a gnome thing.
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Gnome? Feet, ankles, knees and hip joints, spines; all would require
some natural evolution to bear up under the stresses of every day
living. For instance, our pro athletes who after retirement creak
about, their bodies beat down by the abnormal stresses experienced
during their playing career. Bodies will adapt and evolve to meet the
environment. Viz: Inuit in the cold (stockiness) and Chileans (chest
capacity, more hemoglobin) in the Andes, pygmies in the deep jungle
(dearth of food) , and those wee people on Flores Island (probably
food) so recently in the news. 1.3 G doesn't sound like much but that
would load up a 150 pounder with 45 more pounds 100% of the time.
Creak, snap crackle pop..
Walt BJ
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"Gunfighter40" <waltbj01 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote
> Gnome? Feet, ankles, knees and hip joints, spines; all would require
> some natural evolution to bear up under the stresses of every day
> living. For instance, our pro athletes who after retirement creak
> about, their bodies beat down by the abnormal stresses experienced
> during their playing career. Bodies will adapt and evolve to meet the
> environment. Viz: Inuit in the cold (stockiness) and Chileans (chest
> capacity, more hemoglobin) in the Andes, pygmies in the deep jungle
> (dearth of food) , and those wee people on Flores Island (probably
> food) so recently in the news. 1.3 G doesn't sound like much but that
> would load up a 150 pounder with 45 more pounds 100% of the time.
> Creak, snap crackle pop..
> Walt BJ

The pygmies are sized by thermal management requirements. The equatorial
triple canopy jungle doesn't get real hot but the humidity is always 100%.
The pygmies maximize surface to volume ratio by the same square-cube law.
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I thought he answered all that when he described the increased musculature and
heavier skeletal structure. These mods keep the gnome thing from happening.

TW

Paul F Austin wrote:

> Weber has people adapted for life on high-gravity worlds being substantially
> larger than us lesser mortals, the higher the G field, the larger the
> specimen. I'm not sure that makes sense. Muscle strength scales as the
> cross-sectional area of a particular muscle while mass scales a cube
> function of stature. It seems to me that heavy worlders should be _small_
> not large. A straight scaling downward of the human form would decrease mass
> loading faster than muscle strength drops and in the opposite direction, a
> scaled up human with standard muscle fibers would be crippled by added
> weight as the scaling increases. Of course, you can McGuffin-ize the muscle
> fibers to be Better Than Human but then, why scale them up in size?
>
> The hydraulics of circulation add to the problems of tall people in high G
> fields, with long columns of blood exacerbating water hammer effects at the
> extremities, including the brain.
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gS49 wrote:
> "Offbreed" <offbreed_106 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> gS49 wrote:
>>> "Paul F Austin" <pfaustin RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Y_POg.449$GY5.336@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>> "Gunfighter40" <waltbj01 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>> Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
>>>>> logical.
>>>>> Walt BJ
>>>> But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
>>>>
>>> Now I can't help picturing her with an ax instead of a gun in the
>>> replacement arm. And a beard.
>>
>> A switchblade ax in her forearm?
>
> That'd be more of a gnome thing.
>

Makes me wonder about Hemphill's ancestry.

Who for Kendar and Gully Dwarves?
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:18:45 -0500, Offbreed <offbreed_106 RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Makes me wonder about Hemphill's ancestry.
>
> Who for Kendar and Gully Dwarves?

Nah; whatever else you say about her, she isn't _stupid_. So I doubt
Gully Dwarves.

More likely tinker Gnome, with a maybe a dash of Valenar for that "Full
speed ahead, and damn the common sense!" methodology.



Andrew L.
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Andrew L. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:18:45 -0500, Offbreed <offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Makes me wonder about Hemphill's ancestry.

(break)

>> Who for Kendar and Gully Dwarves?
>
> Nah; whatever else you say about her, she isn't _stupid_. So I doubt
> Gully Dwarves.

Yup.

> More likely tinker Gnome, with a maybe a dash of Valenar for that "Full
> speed ahead, and damn the common sense!" methodology.
>
>
>
> Andrew L.

My favorite type reading. Too bad the rest of that Universe is so blood
soaked.
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gS49 wrote:
> "Paul F Austin" <pfaustin DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>"Gunfighter40" <waltbj01 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote
>>
>>>Paul, I do believe you have something here. Short and squat seems
>>>logical.
>>>Walt BJ
>>
>>But somehow a 4 foot, 150 pound HH? Naah.
>>
>
>
> Now I can't help picturing her with an ax instead of a gun in the
> replacement arm. And a beard.
>
> gS
>
>
>

Now that's a Cheery thought.

Phil the Badger
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"Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in
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> Gnome? Feet, ankles, knees and hip joints, spines; all would require
> some natural evolution to bear up under the stresses of every day
> living. For instance, our pro athletes who after retirement creak
> about, their bodies beat down by the abnormal stresses experienced
> during their playing career. Bodies will adapt and evolve to meet the
> environment. Viz: Inuit in the cold (stockiness) and Chileans (chest
> capacity, more hemoglobin) in the Andes, pygmies in the deep jungle
> (dearth of food) , and those wee people on Flores Island (probably
> food) so recently in the news. 1.3 G doesn't sound like much but that
> would load up a 150 pounder with 45 more pounds 100% of the time.
> Creak, snap crackle pop..
> Walt BJ
>

Not neccessarily. The body adapts to the added stress very quickly. All
you have to do is look at the US Army. You take a 160lb soldier. Once you
add body armor, weapons, ammunition, and the other gear needed you easily
increase his weight by over 30 percent. Yet these soldiers are able to
run, jump and fight. It does take training to build them up for it. A
person born and raised on a "heavy" world would be trained by the natural
environment. Put that person in a "standard g" environment and he would
seem to be a "superman". Examples of this adaptation are evident in the
long distance runners from Kenya. They train in the thin air of the Kenyan
Mountains. When they race in the denser air of lower altitudes their
bodies adaptation to the thin air provides them with a marked advantage
over "sea level" trained runners.
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In article <Xns98417A7B9115Cd4554aolcom.DeleteThis@24.93.43.119>,
Rich <d455.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:

> "Gunfighter40" <waltbj01.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:1158456715.954266.236110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Gnome? Feet, ankles, knees and hip joints, spines; all would require
> > some natural evolution to bear up under the stresses of every day
> > living. For instance, our pro athletes who after retirement creak
> > about, their bodies beat down by the abnormal stresses experienced
> > during their playing career. Bodies will adapt and evolve to meet the
> > environment. Viz: Inuit in the cold (stockiness) and Chileans (chest
> > capacity, more hemoglobin) in the Andes, pygmies in the deep jungle
> > (dearth of food) , and those wee people on Flores Island (probably
> > food) so recently in the news. 1.3 G doesn't sound like much but that
> > would load up a 150 pounder with 45 more pounds 100% of the time.
> > Creak, snap crackle pop..
> > Walt BJ
> >
>
> Not neccessarily. The body adapts to the added stress very quickly. All
> you have to do is look at the US Army. You take a 160lb soldier. Once you
> add body armor, weapons, ammunition, and the other gear needed you easily
> increase his weight by over 30 percent. Yet these soldiers are able to
> run, jump and fight. It does take training to build them up for it.

Even a soldier isn't loaded down with that extra weight 24 hours a day,
7 days a week, 365 days a year.

And how many 40 year olds are doing this?

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