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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:16 pm
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Offbreed wrote in message ...
>Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
>> Offbreed wrote:
>>> But, rifles are complex?
>>
>> No context, just leaping in here.
>>
>> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
>> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
>> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel, which
>> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now, if
>> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
>> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
>
>That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
>the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
alone.
>
>The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is Krakatoa
in Indonesia.
IIRC, "lots" perhaps thousands of people were killed, but if a similar
explosion occurred today
in that exact same region, the casualties would be in the millions. I saw
an immensely interesting
special on History or Discovery Channel on Krakatoa sometime last year. The
eruption was so
powerful that it created its own tsunami. (Krakatoa was actually a volcanic
island.) The pyroclastic
gases from the eruption skimmed across the surface of the water and affected
land and people
out to about 50-60 miles from the volcano itself. There hasn't been a
volcanic eruption that can
compare with the size, scope, and power of Krakatoa since that time. (Thank
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:05 pm
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"Fred Burton" <fburton.RemoveThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
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> Offbreed wrote in message ...
>>Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
>>> Offbreed wrote:
>>>> But, rifles are complex?
>>>
>>> No context, just leaping in here.
>>>
>>> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
>>> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
>>> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel, which
>>> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now, if
>>> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
>>> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
>>
>>That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
>>the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
> alone.
>>
>>The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>>killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>
> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
> Krakatoa
> in Indonesia.
>
> IIRC, "lots" perhaps thousands of people were killed, but if a similar
> explosion occurred today
> in that exact same region, the casualties would be in the millions. I saw
> an immensely interesting
> special on History or Discovery Channel on Krakatoa sometime last year.
> The
> eruption was so
> powerful that it created its own tsunami. (Krakatoa was actually a
> volcanic
> island.) The pyroclastic
> gases from the eruption skimmed across the surface of the water and
> affected
> land and people
> out to about 50-60 miles from the volcano itself. There hasn't been a
> volcanic eruption that can
> compare with the size, scope, and power of Krakatoa since that time.
> (Thank
> goodness.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of several
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:05 pm
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deowll wrote:
> That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of several
> thousand more years.
The largest eruptions really made a mess, but Yellowstone has had
smaller eruptions.
I found a website with all the known craters and calderas mapped out,
and there's a bunch scattered all along the Snake River Plain. Lots more
than the CVO site mentions.
Can't find it now, of course, but I did locate this one:
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:24 pm
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In article <ep5ttn$4ch$1@pyrite.mv.net>,
"Fred Burton" <fburton RemoveThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote:
> Offbreed wrote in message ...
> >Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
> >> Offbreed wrote:
> >>> But, rifles are complex?
> >>
> >> No context, just leaping in here.
> >>
> >> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
> >> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
> >> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel, which
> >> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now, if
> >> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
> >> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
> >
> >That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
> >the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
> alone.
> >
> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>
> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is Krakatoa
> in Indonesia.
Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:24 pm
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"Don Sample" <dsample.RemoveThis@synapse.net> wrote in message
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> In article <ep5ttn$4ch$1@pyrite.mv.net>,
> "Fred Burton" <fburton.RemoveThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
>
>> Offbreed wrote in message ...
>> >Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
>> >> Offbreed wrote:
>> >>> But, rifles are complex?
>> >>
>> >> No context, just leaping in here.
>> >>
>> >> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
>> >> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
>> >> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel,
>> >> which
>> >> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now,
>> >> if
>> >> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
>> >> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
>> >
>> >That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
>> >the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
>> alone.
>> >
>> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>>
>> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
>> Krakatoa
>> in Indonesia.
>
> Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
>
> The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
> larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
> world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
> summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
> and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
Not sure if it was larger than Thera or not and that did get a tiny trace in
writing that lasted until now or I think it did.
>
> --
> Quando omni flunkus moritati
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:59 pm
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In article <15Ath.904$p%6.624@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"deowll" <deowll.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Don Sample" <dsample.DeleteThis@synapse.net> wrote in message
> news:dsample-4DE54C.21242823012007@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <ep5ttn$4ch$1@pyrite.mv.net>,
> > "Fred Burton" <fburton.DeleteThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Offbreed wrote in message ...
> >> >Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
> >> >> Offbreed wrote:
> >> >>> But, rifles are complex?
> >> >>
> >> >> No context, just leaping in here.
> >> >>
> >> >> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
> >> >> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
> >> >> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel,
> >> >> which
> >> >> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now,
> >> >> if
> >> >> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
> >> >> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
> >> >
> >> >That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
> >> >the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
> >> alone.
> >> >
> >> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
> >> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
> >>
> >> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
> >> Krakatoa
> >> in Indonesia.
> >
> > Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
> >
> > The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
> > larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
> > world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
> > summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
> > and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
>
> Not sure if it was larger than Thera or not and that did get a tiny trace in
> writing that lasted until now or I think it did.
Even though estimates of the size of the Thera eruption have increased
lately, up to about 60 cubic kilometres of magma and ash, Tambora is
still thought to have been bigger, at over 100.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:09 am
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:24:28 -0500, Don Sample <dsample DeleteThis @synapse.net>
wrote:
>> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>>
>> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is Krakatoa
>> in Indonesia.
>
>Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
>
>The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
>larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
>world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
>summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
>and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
even allowing for a much lower population back then a world wide
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:09 am
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"Brian McDonald" <Brian_knowspam.McDonald.RemoveThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:24:28 -0500, Don Sample <dsample.RemoveThis@synapse.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>>> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>>>
>>> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
>>> Krakatoa
>>> in Indonesia.
>>
>>Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
>>
>>The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
>>larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
>>world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
>>summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
>>and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
>
>
> even allowing for a much lower population back then a world wide
> famine death toll of 80k sounds pretty low.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:23 am
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In article <x0Xth.883$ch1.541@bigfe9>, "deowll" <deowll.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> "Brian McDonald" <Brian_knowspam.McDonald.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:24:28 -0500, Don Sample <dsample.DeleteThis@synapse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> >The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
> >>> >killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
> >>>
> >>> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
> >>> Krakatoa
> >>> in Indonesia.
> >>
> >>Krakatau was in 1883, and killed about 36,000.
> >>
> >>The Tambora eruption (also in Indonesia) in 1815 was about 10 times
> >>larger, killed 10,000 immediately, and 80,000 more died from the
> >>world-wide famine it induced. 1816 became known as "the year without a
> >>summer." There was snow and frost in June, July and August in Europe
> >>and New England. It was the largest eruption in the recorded history.
> >
> >
> > even allowing for a much lower population back then a world wide
> > famine death toll of 80k sounds pretty low.
>
> It's a wag. They have no way to come up with a real estimate.
For Europe and eastern North America they could come up with pretty good
numbers. They probably didn't bother counting much of the rest of the
world.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:55 pm
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"Offbreed" <offbreed_106.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Fred Burton wrote:
>> Fred Burton wrote in message ...
>>> Offbreed wrote in message ...
>>>> Fred Burton wrote:
>>>>> Anyone excited to read the sequel to Hell's Gate that's supposed to be
>>>>> coming
>>>>> out in March? Been reading the preview chapters over at the
>>>>> "jiltanith"
>>>>> site?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Got bored reading about the details of Cobalt-60 and was curious if
>>> anyone
>>>>> was looking forward to Hell Hath No Fury.
>>>> Spoiler space
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> I am. I think Linda Evans did most of the writing as there are just too
>>>> many problems in the book.
>>>>
>>>> The gates? All on land when 2/3 of the planet surface is water?
>>>> Different air pressure from altitude differences? (I have no problem
>>>> with pressure from weather differences.)
>>>>
>>>> A rifle is "complex", but they have machine looms?
>>>>
>>>> "Machine sewn leather goods"? Do they machine stitch clothing?
>>>>
>>>> Combine the "litter" and the propulsion for the boat, and you get -
>>>> what?
>>>>
>>>> Several other problems. Good reading, but it's just not up to something
>>>> with Hizzelf's name on the cover.
>>> Maybe that Arcanan "machine looms" are magic looms. 
>>>
>> Sorry, "that" should be "those". My bad.
>
> LOL.
>
> I would not mind putting a boat drive on one of the litters. An insane
> blast, considering the lack of directional control.
Put the drive on a litter and add a rudder and you will have a workable
airplane. Or at least something that resembles a Ground Effects Vehicle.
Add some weapons and you have some possibilities. Add more R & D and you
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:59 pm
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"deowll" <deowll RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Fred Burton" <fburton RemoveThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Offbreed wrote in message ...
>>>Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
>>>> Offbreed wrote:
>>>>> But, rifles are complex?
>>>>
>>>> No context, just leaping in here.
>>>>
>>>> A rifle itself may not necessarily be complex, but the PRODUCTION of a
>>>> rifle would be considerably more complex than for a smoothbore weapon.
>>>> You have to devise a method of putting rifling inside the barrel, which
>>>> would add considerably to the complexity of building the weapon (now,
>>>> if
>>>> you want a breech-loading weapon, then it gets even trickier to build,
>>>> though, despite the extra complexity, easier to use)
>>>
>>>That's what the character was looking at, but he had no way of knowing
>>>the steps needed to create the device, so I'm taking it as the device
>> alone.
>>>
>>>The series began 39 years after a volcanic eruption that would have
>>>killed a lot of people. Maybe 1850?
>>
>> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the 1800's is
>> Krakatoa
>> in Indonesia.
>>
>> IIRC, "lots" perhaps thousands of people were killed, but if a similar
>> explosion occurred today
>> in that exact same region, the casualties would be in the millions. I
>> saw
>> an immensely interesting
>> special on History or Discovery Channel on Krakatoa sometime last year.
>> The
>> eruption was so
>> powerful that it created its own tsunami. (Krakatoa was actually a
>> volcanic
>> island.) The pyroclastic
>> gases from the eruption skimmed across the surface of the water and
>> affected
>> land and people
>> out to about 50-60 miles from the volcano itself. There hasn't been a
>> volcanic eruption that can
>> compare with the size, scope, and power of Krakatoa since that time.
>> (Thank
>> goodness.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of
> several thousand more years.
>
>
Or at least until I get a chance to get out there and visit the park and
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:05 pm
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In article <45b92834$0$16948$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Joe Clement" <joe.TakeThisOut@spam.com> wrote:
> "deowll" <deowll.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > "Fred Burton" <fburton.TakeThisOut@starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> Offbreed wrote in message ...
<SNIP, re: Volcanic eruptions>
> >>
> >> The most famous volcano eruption that I can recall in the
> >> 1800's is Krakatoa in Indonesia.
> >>
<SNIP more>
> >>
> >>
> > That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of
> > several thousand more years.
> >
> >
> Or at least until I get a chance to get out there and visit the park and
> then get out of the area <g>.
Do you know that the area in question happens to be the North
American continent?
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>> I would not mind putting a boat drive on one of the litters. An insane
>> blast, considering the lack of directional control.
>
> Put the drive on a litter and add a rudder and you will have a workable
> airplane. Or at least something that resembles a Ground Effects Vehicle.
> Add some weapons and you have some possibilities. Add more R & D and you
> may have something with more lift capacity and heavier weapons capability.
That should have been "directional stability". Yes, it would need some
fins, or something.
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:59:14 -0500, "Joe Clement" <joe.DeleteThis@spam.com>
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>> That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of
>> several thousand more years.
>>
>>
>Or at least until I get a chance to get out there and visit the park and
>then get out of the area <g>.
>
if yellowstone seriously pops it's cork getting out of the area is
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Brian McDonald wrote in message
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>On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:59:14 -0500, "Joe Clement" <joe RemoveThis @spam.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> That will be as nothing when Yellowstone blows. I hope that holds of
>>> several thousand more years.
>>>
>>>
>>Or at least until I get a chance to get out there and visit the park and
>>then get out of the area <g>.
>>
>
>if yellowstone seriously pops it's cork getting out of the area is
>going to involve a space shuttle ride.
I'm not sure that the true danger area is quite that serious. But I think
that it's
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