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Since: Jul 09, 2003 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:12 am
Post subject: A History of Europe, printed 1689 Archived from groups: rec>collecting>books (more info?)
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Hello,
I was hoping someone on this list may be able to help me out about a
rare book. The book appears to be a self published history book,
since the author refers to himself, but never by name and no author is
listed. The book was poorly rebound at some point in the 20th century
by the looks of it. The name of the book is "A Complete History of
Europe: or, a View of the Affairs thereof, Civil and Military: From
the Beginning of the Treaty of Nimeguen, 1676. to the Conclusion of
the Peace at Reswick, 1697" (spelling and punctuation as they appear
in the original).
The date of publication is 1698 (MDCXCVIII). I did an internet search
but was unable to find any references to this book. It is interesting
both becaus of it's age, but primarily because it was published only a
year after the events it recounts. The author includes actual
treaties and correspondence between monarchs. Most likely an attempt
at revisionism, which only makes the book more interesting in my
opinion.
Anyway, this was a gift and mailed to me. I live in a remote region
where I don't have access to a rare book dealer who can help me with
additional information. If anyone has suggestions for how I can find
out more about this treasure, please reply.
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Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:28 am
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"Tara" <liltara66.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I was hoping someone on this list may be able to help me ovt abovt a
> rare book. The book appears to be a self pvblished history book,
> since the avthor refers to himself, bvt never by name and no avthor is
> listed. The book was poorly rebovnd at some point in the 20th centvry
> by the looks of it. The name of the book is "A Complete History of
> Evrope: or, a View of the Affairs thereof, Civil and Military: From
> the Beginning of the Treaty of Nimegven, 1676. to the Conclvsion of
> the Peace at Reswick, 1697" (spelling and pvnctvation as they appear
> in the original).
>
Hmm...are yov svre it's spelled "Complete" rather than "Compleat"? There are 3
copies of what's clearly (I think) the same book listed on COPAC, a vnion
catalogve of major research libraries in the UK, and available for searching at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw." target="_blank">http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw.</a> The copies are in the British Library, the
Bodleian in Oxford and Edinbvrgh (althovgh it's not clear whether this means
Edinbvrgh University Library or the National Library of Scotland - I svspect the
former).
Anyway, the most informative catalogve record is the Bodleian one, at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643," target="_blank">http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</a> which
says that the avthor was David Jones, who flovrished 1676-1720. Jones was
assigned as the avthor by "Wing", which is a 3-volvme short-title catalogve of
all the books printed in the British Isles and British America, plvs books in
English printed in other covntries, for the period 1641-1700, compiled by Donald
Wing (hence the name) in the 1940s. Jones (assvming the attribvtion's correct)
continved to prodvce "A compleat history..." annvally vntil 1711. Some of the
later ones only covered the events of the preceding year, while others inclvded
the vpdated contents of the original 1698 volvme. The one yov have is the
earliest, as far as I can see. Nice gift!
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Since: Jun 21, 2003 Posts: 61
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:28 am
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"Sandy Malcolm" <smalc.TakeThisOut@nospam.uk> wrote in message
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> Anyway, the most informative catalogue record is the Bodleian one, at
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.uk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</font" target="_blank">http://copac.ac.uk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</font</a>>
which
> says that the author was David Jones, who flourished 1676-1720. Jones was
> assigned as the author by "Wing", which is a 3-volume short-title
catalogue of
> all the books printed in the British Isles and British America, plus
books in
> English printed in other countries, for the period 1641-1700, compiled by
Donald
> Wing (hence the name) in the 1940s. Jones (assuming the attribution's
correct)
> continued to produce "A compleat history..." annually until 1711. Some of
the
> later ones only covered the events of the preceding year, while others
included
> the updated contents of the original 1698 volume. The one you have is the
> earliest, as far as I can see. Nice gift!
What kind of value would assign, Sandy, if you had this in your hypothetical
store?
William M. Klimon
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:28 am
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Wow Sandy, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Yov are
correct, I did misspell Complete, is appears as "Compleat" in the
actval title. I gvess I was so excited by the "find" that I didn't
check the spelling adeqvately.
While an Internet search didn't tvrn vp nearly as mvch information as
yov were able to provide, I was able to find a collector who made a
reference to her copy in a short online entry on her homepage, bvt her
copy does seem to be a later one.
Again, thanks for the information, I know that my Mom, who gave me
this gift, will also be thrilled to know that this may be the earliest
copy.
Cheers,
Tara
"Sandy Malcolm" <smalc@nospam.vk> wrote in message news:<3f0c895e$0$19203$afc38c87@britishlibrary>...
> "Tara" <liltara66 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:af4353c2.0307090712.68b1d350@posting.google.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was hoping someone on this list may be able to help me ovt abovt a
> > rare book. The book appears to be a self pvblished history book,
> > since the avthor refers to himself, bvt never by name and no avthor is
> > listed. The book was poorly rebovnd at some point in the 20th centvry
> > by the looks of it. The name of the book is "A Complete History of
> > Evrope: or, a View of the Affairs thereof, Civil and Military: From
> > the Beginning of the Treaty of Nimegven, 1676. to the Conclvsion of
> > the Peace at Reswick, 1697" (spelling and pvnctvation as they appear
> > in the original).
> >
> Hmm...are yov svre it's spelled "Complete" rather than "Compleat"? There are 3
> copies of what's clearly (I think) the same book listed on COPAC, a vnion
> catalogve of major research libraries in the UK, and available for searching at
> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw." target="_blank">http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw.</a> The copies are in the British Library, the
> Bodleian in Oxford and Edinbvrgh (althovgh it's not clear whether this means
> Edinbvrgh University Library or the National Library of Scotland - I svspect the
> former).
>
> Anyway, the most informative catalogve record is the Bodleian one, at
> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643," target="_blank">http://copac.ac.vk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</a> which
> says that the avthor was David Jones, who flovrished 1676-1720. Jones was
> assigned as the avthor by "Wing", which is a 3-volvme short-title catalogve of
> all the books printed in the British Isles and British America, plvs books in
> English printed in other covntries, for the period 1641-1700, compiled by Donald
> Wing (hence the name) in the 1940s. Jones (assvming the attribvtion's correct)
> continved to prodvce "A compleat history..." annvally vntil 1711. Some of the
> later ones only covered the events of the preceding year, while others inclvded
> the vpdated contents of the original 1698 volvme. The one yov have is the
> earliest, as far as I can see. Nice gift!
>
> Sandy<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A History of Europe, printed 1689 |
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Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:54 pm
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> What kind of value would assign, Sandy, if you had this in your hypothetical
> store?
>
>
> William M. Klimon
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.gateofbliss.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.gateofbliss.com</font</a>>
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Well, thanks for the compliment in thinking I might have a clue, Bill, but alas
I don't, really. 17th century books seem to vary in price so much it'd be hard
even to suggest a range. There are 2 or 3 copies of later editions of this title
for sale online at $100-$150, so I'd guess that the first edition, assuming
condition, binding etc are all reasonable, would be more than that; it doesn't
seem to be a common title, certainly. But as I say, I'm really the wrong person
to ask. Maybe someone else here (Nigel B, if he's still reading the list,
possibly?) would have a better idea than me what a late 17th c English book on
contemporary history would sell for retail; regardless of the money, though, it
sounds like a great book to have on the shelf.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:06 am
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Like I mentioned, the book was poorly rebound, and overall not in
excellent condition. While I was a bit curious how much it could be
worth, as Sandy said, this is a great one to have and hold on to.
Anyway, it was a gift, so there is no question of letting it go.
I'm not a "knowledgable" collector, just a hobbyist. My criteria for
those I choose to purchase is variable. I like any fine literature,
but apart from that, I usually like books that in some way reflect an
interesting aspect of the time they were written. I began as a
teenager browsing used book stores and have never given it up.
I'm glad I discovered this group as a result of seeking answers about
my latest book and I hope to learn more from you over time.
Thanks!
"William M. Klimon" <william.m.klimon.c87.DeleteThis@alumni.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<w43Pa.1402$EM1.1139@lakeread07>...
> "Sandy Malcolm" <smalc.DeleteThis@nospam.uk> wrote in message
> news:3f0c895e$0$19203$afc38c87@britishlibrary...
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> > Anyway, the most informative catalogue record is the Bodleian one, at
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://copac.ac.uk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</font" target="_blank">http://copac.ac.uk/copac/wzgw?fs=Next&rsn=3&esn=F&rn=1&nr=1&id=2707643,</font</a>>
> which
> > says that the author was David Jones, who flourished 1676-1720. Jones was
> > assigned as the author by "Wing", which is a 3-volume short-title
> catalogue of
> > all the books printed in the British Isles and British America, plus
> books in
> > English printed in other countries, for the period 1641-1700, compiled by
> Donald
> > Wing (hence the name) in the 1940s. Jones (assuming the attribution's
> correct)
> > continued to produce "A compleat history..." annually until 1711. Some of
> the
> > later ones only covered the events of the preceding year, while others
> included
> > the updated contents of the original 1698 volume. The one you have is the
> > earliest, as far as I can see. Nice gift!
>
>
>
> What kind of value would assign, Sandy, if you had this in your hypothetical
> store?
>
>
> William M. Klimon
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Since: Jun 21, 2003 Posts: 61
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:38 pm
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"Sandy Malcolm" <smalc.DeleteThis@nospam.uk> wrote in message
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> Well, thanks for the compliment in thinking I might have a clue, Bill, but
alas
> I don't, really. 17th century books seem to vary in price so much it'd be
hard
> even to suggest a range. There are 2 or 3 copies of later editions of this
title
> for sale online at $100-$150, so I'd guess that the first edition,
assuming
> condition, binding etc are all reasonable, would be more than that; it
doesn't
> seem to be a common title, certainly. But as I say, I'm really the wrong
person
> to ask. Maybe someone else here (Nigel B, if he's still reading the list,
> possibly?) would have a better idea than me what a late 17th c English
book on
> contemporary history would sell for retail; regardless of the money,
though, it
> sounds like a great book to have on the shelf.
I know I referred to your "hypothetical store," but retail/resale value is
not the only reason that we (i.e., collectors) should be interested in the
value (price) of our books. I can think of at least three other reasons:
(1) insurance--of course, insurers want an accurate valuation of the
material in question before writing insurance;
(2) security--in the case of theft, e.g., the value of the item, generally
speaking, determines directly the severity of the offense;
(3) taxation--in the case of charitable donations, e.g., the value of
donated books will determine the amount of tax deduction that the donor may
take.
I am not interested in reselling most of the books I own, but these other
issues are concerns for me.
William M. Klimon
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:15 am
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> I know I referred to your "hypothetical store," but retail/resale value is
> not the only reason that we (i.e., collectors) should be interested in the
> value (price) of our books. I can think of at least three other reasons:
>
> (1) insurance--of course, insurers want an accurate valuation of the
> material in question before writing insurance;
>
> (2) security--in the case of theft, e.g., the value of the item, generally
> speaking, determines directly the severity of the offense;
>
> (3) taxation--in the case of charitable donations, e.g., the value of
> donated books will determine the amount of tax deduction that the donor may
> take.
>
Well, (3) isn't really an issue in the UK, I don't think, since those kinds of
donations don't in general attract any tax advantages for the donor. There might
be occasional exceptions, eg accepting an illuminated medieval ms in lieu of
death duty on an aristocratic estate, but not as a general rule. I believe this
is one reason that US libraries find it much easier to attract such donations
than UK ones, which I suppose rely more heavily on altruism. In the UK, very
little indeed is tax-deductible.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:20 am
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"Sandy Malcolm" <smalc RemoveThis @nospam.uk> wrote in message
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> Well, (3) isn't really an issue in the UK, I don't think, since those
kinds of
> donations don't in general attract any tax advantages for the donor. There
might
> be occasional exceptions, eg accepting an illuminated medieval ms in lieu
of
> death duty on an aristocratic estate, but not as a general rule. I believe
this
> is one reason that US libraries find it much easier to attract such
donations
> than UK ones, which I suppose rely more heavily on altruism. In the UK,
very
> little indeed is tax-deductible.
Yes, that is a bit of a problem. I did a little reading on the subject and
found that, in addition to cash, Inland Revenue will recognize a deduction
for donations of some securities and for donations of inventory by
businesses. So I don't quite understand the reasons for not recognizing
deductions for in-kind donations by individuals--the only issue I see is
valuation but that's what appraisers and standardized valuation tables are
for.
William M. Klimon
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:19 pm
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> Yes, that is a bit of a problem. I did a little reading on the subject and
> found that, in addition to cash, Inland Revenue will recognize a deduction
> for donations of some securities and for donations of inventory by
> businesses. So I don't quite understand the reasons for not recognizing
> deductions for in-kind donations by individuals--the only issue I see is
> valuation but that's what appraisers and standardized valuation tables are
> for.
>
I think the only issue is that they want to minimise absolutely the potential
for individuals to reduce their tax bills, and the Inland Revenue have greater
sway than whoever looks after museums and libraries these days. Not being
self-employed, my tax affairs are pretty simple, but I believe it can be
difficult to reclaim even legitimate business expenses in this country - depends
how good your accountant is, I think. There are very few opportunities for
'public good'-type tax deductions, as book or art donations would be. There are
certainly ways of donating to charity which are tax-efficient, which provide a
modest incentive to the donor and a greater benefit to the charity, but there's
no tradition of in-kind donations as a tax benefit in this country.
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