Honor Harrington RPG announced

"Ian Argent" <silvercat RemoveThis @dreamseeker.org> wrote in message
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 > "Charles Glasgow" <cglasgow RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > My apologies if this was already posted -- did a Google search, didn't
  > > see any other thread. Might have missed it.
  > >
  > > At any rate...
  > >
  > >
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 > Looks like this version of Traveller is D20 powered. Which I prefer to
GURPS
 > (YMMV).

I agree; for all that I dislike WotC's pricing scheme and product strategy
(too many new things, too fast, and too expensive...it's hard to keep up,
and I can't afford to anyway ), the d20 system itself is about the best
system that still makes use of classes. (People apparently find classless
systems too complicated, which I don't understand, but whatever.)

So, short of like Dream Pod 9 doing it in Silhouette, d20 is probably a very
Good Thing (tm).


 > The interesting thing in it is that the license derived from the
production
 > company working on a Honor Harrington theatrical production... (end
 > therefore not directly MWW, though I'm sure he had input).

I hope so...if this is a pseudo-authorized version, it could go badly. Can
anyone get some confirmation from the author himself about the situation,
maybe?

The other thing is that this means DW needs to expand on the non-military
side of things. There needs to be something other than shooting at
other ships to do...

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 >The other thing is that this means DW needs to expand on the non-military
 >side of things. There needs to be something other than shooting at
 >other ships to do...

You mean like shooting at people?
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[snip]
 > Looks like this version of Traveller is D20 powered. Which I prefer to GURPS
 > (YMMV).

It most certainly does.

'Cause despite my having bought every Honor Harrington book and tie-in
novel in existence, some of them /three times/ (paperback, hardbound,
/and/ e-book)...

.... /and/ despite my spending far, far, far too much of my limited
income on RPG supplements of almost every size, shape, and
description...

.... if the Honor Harrington RPG is gonna be D20, then it ain't seeing
a dime of my money.

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"Ian Argent" <silvercat.DeleteThis@dreamseeker.org> wrote in
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 > The interesting thing in it is that the license derived from the
 > production company working on a Honor Harrington theatrical
 > production... (end therefore not directly MWW, though I'm sure he had
 > input).

Well, it says that he had input in the sentence right after that.

That said, I'm hoping that the RPG does end up being based on the books,
rather than a movie; while perhaps (later on, when they exist) the movie
could be used for some art assets, I get the feeling that even if the
movies keep the same plot/character arcs, they're going to totally ignore
the tech from the books. (What, like Hollywierd would let them make a movie
about space combat where you can't even *see* the other ship?)

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On 16 Jan 2004 22:42:39 -0800, cglasgow.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Charles Glasgow)
wrote:

 >My apologies if this was already posted -- did a Google search, didn't
 >see any other thread. Might have missed it.
 >
 >At any rate...
 >
 >http://www.travellerrpg.com/cgi-bin/news/pnews.pl?action=view&itemid=58&h=4&s=t
 >
 >-----------
 >Acworth, GA, January 7, 2003) - Often touted as Horatio Hornblower in
 >Space, the Honor Harrington novel series by bestselling author David
 >Weber introduces readers to a vast universe of epic struggle,
 >conflict, and intrigue where even a single woman can make a difference
 >as long as she maintains her personal honor. With the David Weber's
 >Honor Harrington Adventures line, fans around the world will be able
 >to create and enjoy their own adventures in this incredible universe.
 >-----------
 >
 >
 >My comment on this -- uhhh, the guys who are doing /non/-GURPS
 >Traveller? As in "the really not-so-good Traveller version" as
 >opposed to "the outstandingly great Traveller version"?
 >
 >David, why oh /why/ did you not tap Steve Jackson Games? They're
 >good people, they could really use a fanbase the size of yours, and
 >they have repeatedly turned out /outstanding/ product.
 >
 >My God, even the E.E. Smith estate trusted them with the RPG license
 >for 'Lensman', and after the Japanese anime debacle, Verna Trestrail
 >was in a mood to never trust anyone with any even remotely
 >Lensman-derivative license again in this lifetime. And SJG did
 >GURPS(*) Lensman up /very nicely/.
 >
 >*sigh*
 >
 >Ah well. Steve Jackson's done licensed GURPS conversions of other
 >products before(**), hopefully he'll get one for this, as well.
 >
 >And if not SJG, why not Hero Games?

Well, SJG and Hero would certainly be good choices (I imagine there
are plenty of fan GURPS and Hero write-ups for Honor as is; I know
I've seen discussion of the Hero ones on their webboards anyway), but
d20 is not a bad system necessarily. I play plenty of 3rd edition D&D,
and there are plenty of other d20 games that twist it as far as
possible from D&D as they can anyway. The universe itself is rather
good as far as adaptability to RPGs goes in the sense that it's got
fairly well defined logic behind it, plenty of atmosphere, but still
large enough to have gaps to set PCs in without having to contradict
the source material.

I'm not sure how they'll handle the ship combat which is usually at
the heart of the HH series though without turning it into a tabletop
battlegame instead of an RPG. Then there's the question of getting the
players something to do with all their PCs together. Take OBS, which
seems like a pretty good adventure idea in RPG terms; a "beginner
level" crew with a definite goal ("Take care of Basilisk") yet plenty
of independence on how to achieve it, and a plot that weaves through
several different cool scenarios to an awesome climax and "leveling
up" at the end. But in RPG terms a lot of the players would be bored
out of their skulls because only a few PCs at a time would be doing
the "cool stuff"; while the rest sat twiddling their thumbs. Think of
the OBS characters played as PCs; while Scotty Tremaine's and
Harkness's player would be having fun catching smugglers, any of the
players whose characters were onboard the Fearless would be stuck
running drills or something (though Scotty's player would be pissed
about missing the final battle in space probably...). DW can cut
between plot lines in a novel, but it would aggravate most players I
know a lot to play that way. And there's the eternal problem in a lot
of military games with chain of command; either you have one player
bossing the others around, or you've got the DM jerking their chains
with an NPC captain, both of which can cause trouble.

But of course the real game-killer will be the munchkin playing a
half-treecat/half human hybrid created by Mesa (with retractable claws
and super psychic powers), who insists the points are compensated for
by taking "Addiction to Celery" and "Hates Mesa" as disadvantages .
And Ringo's short story "Let's Go to Prague" certainly reminds me of
how a lot of PCs act... *roll eyes*

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Charles Glasgow wrote:

 > ... if the Honor Harrington RPG is gonna be D20, then it ain't seeing
 > a dime of my money.

I always reserve my judgement on that kind of thing. I'd have said
the same thing about Lensman -- GURPS and LotR -- ICE. But both of
those products were stellar pieces of work. Oh, sure, the systems were
still Just Not At All Right, but the game material rose far above the
system.

The same thing could be true here. Though given I always disliked
Traveller in all its forms, I can't be very optimistic.

Me, if I was doing an HH RPG, I would have based it on Space Opera
but modified it to have an HH combat system. But I'm wierd anyway.
GURPS might work better for HH, actually (she's not running on the
Lensman power scale so far, and it's generally power scale that makes
Lensman badly unsuited for GURPS).


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Sea Wasp <seawasp RemoveThis @wizvax.net> wrote in message news:<400A7205.9070000 RemoveThis @wizvax.net>...

 > I always reserve my judgement on that kind of thing. I'd have said
 > the same thing about Lensman -- GURPS and LotR -- ICE. But both of
 > those products were stellar pieces of work. Oh, sure, the systems were
 > still Just Not At All Right, but the game material rose far above the
 > system.

Yes, but this gaming company in particular does not have anywhere near
as much of my faith as the creative people at Steve Jackson Games and
Iron Crown did.

Of course, if my gaming friends all come around after it's out to tell
me that I'm wrong, then I'll borrow their sourcebooks and look at
them. And if necessary, munch a crow and shell out the cash.

But based on all available data that I have /now/, I'm going to be
nowhere near the game store on release day for this product, unless I
coincidentally happen to be there to pick up something else.

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On 19 Jan 2004 19:17:26 -0800, cglasgow.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Charles Glasgow)
allegedly declared to alt.books.david-weber...
 >Sea Wasp <seawasp.DeleteThis@wizvax.net> wrote in message
 > news:<400A7205.9070000.DeleteThis@wizvax.net>...
  >> I always reserve my judgement on that kind of thing. I'd have said
  >> the same thing about Lensman -- GURPS and LotR -- ICE. But both of
  >> those products were stellar pieces of work. Oh, sure, the systems were
  >> still Just Not At All Right, but the game material rose far above the
  >> system.
 >
 >Yes, but this gaming company in particular does not have anywhere near
 >as much of my faith as the creative people at Steve Jackson Games and
 >Iron Crown did.

Hrm. Come to think of it, I do still prefer the d6 SWRPG
materials to the d20...

(Granted, the Knights of the Old Republic computer game is very good,
but perhaps that's a case of the story rising above the system.)

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Who CARES!?
Someone is doing the film/video series???
Live action? or CGI? or BOTH!?
Call the casting director! We need a conference!
We Want Carrie-Anne Moss!

Anyway, GURPS is too damn involved, D20 is something most everyone is
scarred by enough to use it, and we're ALL gonna file off the serial numbers
and fix it anyway, so what diff?

I wanna see Nimitz rip out some Maccabean's throat! NOW!

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James Kratzer wrote:
 > Who CARES!?
 > Someone is doing the film/video series???
 > Live action? or CGI? or BOTH!?
 > Call the casting director! We need a conference!
 > We Want Carrie-Anne Moss!

Not as Honor, we don't.




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[SNIP]
> > If you can give me someone else (besides Angelina Jolie, PLEASE!)
>
> Can't use her anyway; apparently DW resents her being able to walk
> through the red tape that hung him up to dry.
>
I KNEW there was a reason why I like DW (besides his GREAT writing!).

Okay, Wasp, let's get heads together and figure out who we CAN get. Too bad
Lynn Minmei isn't a real actress. Teach her how to walk, talk, and STOP
GIGGLING (all the time) and she'd be good. She's certainly tall enough,
anyway. But DUMB!
Is there such a thing as an Oriental blonde? Minmei would be one!

Any help out there?

Jim Kratzer
The Mad Yank
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James Kratzer wrote:

> [SNIP]
>
>>>If you can give me someone else (besides Angelina Jolie, PLEASE!)
>>
>> Can't use her anyway; apparently DW resents her being able to walk
>>through the red tape that hung him up to dry.
>>
>
> I KNEW there was a reason why I like DW (besides his GREAT writing!).
>
> Okay, Wasp, let's get heads together and figure out who we CAN get. Too bad
> Lynn Minmei isn't a real actress. Teach her how to walk, talk, and STOP
> GIGGLING (all the time) and she'd be good. She's certainly tall enough,
> anyway. But DUMB!
> Is there such a thing as an Oriental blonde? Minmei would be one!
>
> Any help out there?
>
How about one of the sailor scouts?
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"Sea Wasp" <seawasp DeleteThis @wizvax.net> wrote in message
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> How about LaToya Jackson? *GDR*

The cover of Field Of Dishonour does NOT count...

Bad boy

Gillian
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