"Honor Harrington in "Sky Captain"

I gather that this story was told some time ago on a private news
server, (which my ISP won't connect to) and maybe on Baen's Bar. Does
anyone have an archives of that discussion they could post? I'm quite
interested.

Alex
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I just watched it, she looks alot like my mental image of HH. That movie
also looks very weird.

Rich Clark wrote:
 > Excuse me for de-lurking, but has anyone seen the trailer for "Sky Captain
 > and the World of Tomorrow"?
 >
 > And if so, when Angelina Jolie, in her eyepatch and naval cap, appeared, did
 > you go "it's Honor Harrington!" the way I did?
 >
 > (The trailer is online at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/skycaptainandtheworldoftomorrow/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/skycaptainandtheworldoftomorrow/</a>)
 >
 > RichC
 >
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Don Sample wrote:

 > In article <40017AD2.7050106.DeleteThis@wizvax.net>, Sea Wasp <seawasp.DeleteThis@wizvax.net>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Dahak wrote:
  >>
   >>>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:26:46 -0600, an orbiting mind-control laser
   >>>made Passin'Thru <thirdstar.DeleteThis@right.net> write:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Rumor has it Weber is no fan of Jolie- something to do with his
   >>>>adoption problems.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> I think we can safely say that it is _not_ in the realm of mere
   >>>_rumor_.
   >>>
   >>>-JPB
  >>
  >> What does Angeline Jolie have to do with The Great Weber's
  >>adoption problems? I thought she was just an actress, not an adoption
  >>official.
 >
 >
 > Jolie adopted a Cambodian baby a couple of years ago. Now it turns out
 > that the agency she went through wasn't actually putting orphans up for
 > adoption. It was buying babies. (The going rate in Cambodia seems to
 > be about $100 to the mother, and a few thousand in bribes to various
 > government officials.) The agency has been shut down by the FBI,
 > people are going to jail, and the US put a moratorium on Cambodian
 > adoptions.
 >
 > Why Weber should be upset with Jolie over this is beyond me. As far as
 > I can see she seems to be one of the victims, and is now in a custody
 > battle to keep the baby she adopted. It may be that the publicity
 > surrounding her adoption caused some people to take a closer look at
 > the whole Cambodian adoption thing and discover that it wasn't all
 > kosher, but that's not her fault.

W'hoppen was that AJ and her then-husband got a visa for their
questionably-adopted kid with no problem whatsofrigging, while DW and a
whole lot of other extraordinary people were having to fight the INS to
get their kids home. The fact that this excuse for a celebrity was able
to circumvent all the hoops he was being made to jump through is what
got DW mad. If it turns out, as it looks, that AJ's adoption agency was
teh one which caused the problems for all the legitimate adoptions ...
he's just going to get madder.

She will never play a role on any Honor Harrington movie. Unless as a
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"B. Ross Ashley" <brashley46DELETETHECAPS.RemoveThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> She will never play a role on any Honor Harrington movie. Unless as a
> stunt-double for a female Scrag ... in a live-fire exercise.

I'm sure AJ isn't losing any sleep over it...

Gillian
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Gillian White wrote:


 >
 > Is that her fault though? Is there proof that she specifically asked to be
 > given special treatment?
 >
 > Gillian
 >
 >
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"B. Ross Ashley" <brashley46DELETETHECAPS.DeleteThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Can you imagine she got it without asking?

Yes, I can.

Gillian
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"Gillian White" <gillian_white DeleteThis @spammenotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "B. Ross Ashley" <brashley46DELETETHECAPS DeleteThis @rogers.com> wrote in message
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> > Can you imagine she got it without asking?
>
> Yes, I can.
>
> Gillian
>
>

I can also imagine that everybody trying to adopt asked for special
treatment. What happened is the way the system works rather than the way its
supposed to work. The INS is to blame for not doing its job.
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:12:11 -0500, Don Sample wrote:

  >> What does Angeline Jolie have to do with The Great Weber's
  >> adoption problems? I thought she was just an actress, not an adoption
  >> official.
 >
 > Jolie adopted a Cambodian baby a couple of years ago. Now it turns out
 > that the agency she went through wasn't actually putting orphans up for
 > adoption. It was buying babies. (The going rate in Cambodia seems to be
 > about $100 to the mother, and a few thousand in bribes to various
 > government officials.) The agency has been shut down by the FBI, people
 > are going to jail, and the US put a moratorium on Cambodian adoptions.
 >
 > Why Weber should be upset with Jolie over this is beyond me. As far as I
 > can see she seems to be one of the victims, and is now in a custody battle
 > to keep the baby she adopted. It may be that the publicity surrounding
 > her adoption caused some people to take a closer look at the whole
 > Cambodian adoption thing and discover that it wasn't all kosher, but
 > that's not her fault.

Jolie waltzed in _after_ the moratorium started and immediately received
a baby. While the Department of State and INS were being as
obstructionist as they could to everyone else, including breaking their
own rules to halt adoptions in progress, the broke several more rules
helping her.

--
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This whole thing is a sad story, with a lot of pain and frustration for
everyone involved.

I was of course totally unaware of it when I posted my original "sighting."

I noticed later through a Google Groups search that I was not the first to
notice the resemblance.

I can't help but wonder if anyone involved in the film's production was also
struck by the resemblance; there have to be other sf fans working on a movie
like this.

RichC
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"deowll" <deowll.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I can also imagine that everybody trying to adopt asked for special
> treatment. What happened is the way the system works rather than the way
its
> supposed to work. The INS is to blame for not doing its job.

Correct. It wouldn't be the first time the INS has made a complete mess of
things.

Gillian
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Alex wrote:

> I gather that this story was told some time ago on a private news
> server, (which my ISP won't connect to) and maybe on Baen's Bar. Does
> anyone have an archives of that discussion they could post? I'm quite
> interested.
>
> Alex

Sorry, Alex, that was two bar-crashes ago and the Bar never kept
archives beyond a few weeks in any case.
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In article <pan.2004.01.11.23.08.24.282922.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>, Michael A
Chase <mchase.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 > Jolie waltzed in _after_ the moratorium started and immediately received
 > a baby. While the Department of State and INS were being as
 > obstructionist as they could to everyone else, including breaking their
 > own rules to halt adoptions in progress, the broke several more rules
 > helping her.

If this is the case, MWW should be mad (more likely, madder) at the
government bureaucrats than at Jolie. All she did was try to adopt -
the same thing Weber did. That the bureaucrats broke the rules for her
and not him is not her fault.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >From: "Gillian White"

 >obert A. Woodward" <robertaw.TakeThisOut@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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 >
  >> The INS put a freeze on all adoptions from Cambodia merely weeks before
  >> the Weber's adoption papers would finally clear* - the freeze lasted
  >> over a year. All adoption papers that they were processing were frozen;
  >> with one exception. Jolie's was given a exception and was processed.
 >
 >Is that her fault though? Is there proof that she specifically asked to be
 >given special treatment?
 >
 >Gillian

I'm not sure if the information is still available online or not, but MWW had
posted various missives he received from the INS on Baen's bar. Needless to say
the INS was not very polite in them. Also unlike Ms Jolie, MWW and the other
people that were caught up in this problem were not adopting from the American
agencies that were the problem. They were adopting from Cambodian angencies
which were being very careful that the children they were putting up for
adoption were in fact orphans. His anger stems from the fact that she was the
most famous face on a scandal that cost him, his wife, and a couple of hundred
other adoptive families over a year of their adoptive childrens lives. The
only reason they and the others were able to eventually adopt was that the
president got involved and basicly told the INS to get their heads out of their
@$$es. Those that finally were able to adopt after the scandal are probably the
only ones that can be sure their children were not bought and sold like
cattle.I don't know that he blames Ms Jolie personally. But because she was
able to adopt without the hoops he and the other families were put through he
has said she would not be welcome in a movie made from any of his books.
JEFF THE BEAR
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