Next Honor Harrington?

Louann Miller <louann_m.TakeThisOut@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<5d5530l5g8sp3bpan2fq2e39mihq0u825a.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
> On 16 Feb 2004 20:30:35 -0800, aahz.TakeThisOut@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing
> Machine) wrote:
>
> >I notice downthread that you mention abortion, but there are many good
> >reasons to avoid abortion, not least of which is the emotional cost.
> >I've read too many accounts from pro-choice women who've had abortions
> >followed by strong emotional reactions.
>
> Oh goody, an abortion thread. Maybe this will be the one, unlike every
> other abortion thread I've ever read or heard of, which finally
> converts all present to <my position> by the sheer force of reason.
>
That's your problem .
You have to CONVERT everyone to your position, and nobody likes to compromise.
My approach is much better.
Everyone already agrees with me. They just don't know it.
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On 17 Feb 2004 06:57:40 -0800, aahz.RemoveThis@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing
Machine) wrote:

>>Yeah, those reactions are akin to postpartum reactions and any
>>post-surgical reactions; in fact, they are post-surgical reactions.
>
>Perhaps; perhaps not. Unless you're claiming to be a psychologist with
>research experience in this area, I kinda doubt you know enough to label
>this as fact rather than opinion. And, y'know, I hear stories about
>women who regret their abortions years after the fact.

Ever hear of post-partum depression? Such as that woman in
Texas who killed all her kids? It's triggered by the end of
pregnancy--by whatever means.

It's not the only cause of regrets, though. The fundies
love to hound a woman into having regrets when she didn't have any to
start with.
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:55:27 -0900, Offbreed
<Offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>Gillian White wrote:
>> Every woman has a different outcome and a different experience.
>
>I've known a few that went through "Hormone Hell" afterwords. I think
>this should be addressed by the medical industry.

The problem is how to address it.
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Loren Pechtel wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:55:27 -0900, Offbreed
> <Offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>>I've known a few that went through "Hormone Hell" afterwords. I think
>>this should be addressed by the medical industry.
>
>
> The problem is how to address it.

It's a psychiatric (NOT psycological) problem, relieve the symptoms
through medication.

At risk of getting into a discussion of "a pill for every mood".
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:58:16 -0900, Offbreed
<Offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>Loren Pechtel wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:55:27 -0900, Offbreed
>> <Offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>I've known a few that went through "Hormone Hell" afterwords. I think
>>>this should be addressed by the medical industry.
>>
>>
>> The problem is how to address it.
>
>It's a psychiatric (NOT psycological) problem, relieve the symptoms
>through medication.
>
>At risk of getting into a discussion of "a pill for every mood".

But we don't know exactly what's going on--there's nothing like
a perfect pill for it.
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Loren Pechtel wrote:

> But we don't know exactly what's going on--there's nothing like
> a perfect pill for it.

I doubt if the medical research labs would object to another research
project <G>.

Although... Hormones can have strong effects at pretty low doses, from
what I understand, then sorting out how they react to one another
would be another big project.

Well, I guess there's a lot of other research to be done and problems
resolved first.
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It did not appear to me, having read the novel, that the author had taken
such a position. He may have taken the position that there are people
with particular religious beliefs who actually acted as though they
believed them, but that's a bit different. For example, the heroine of
the original series has the same position, but not seemingly out of her
rather shallow attachment to either of her faiths.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Eric Flint wrote:
 > "Loren Pechtel" <lorenpechtel.TakeThisOut@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:03:56 -0600, "Eric Flint" <eflint.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
  > > wrote:
  > >
   > > >No, not with me. I'll be co-authoring the Crown of Slaves sequels --
 > call
   > > >that the "Torch sub-series" -- but not the Saganami Island novels.
   > > >At least, there are plans for that now. He does stay in touch with
   > > >me regarding it, because the two series -- as well as the mainline HH
 > series,
   > > >for that matter -- will constantly interweave with each other. But
 > unless
   > > >something changes, Dave will be writing all the books in the Saganami
 > Island
   > > >sub-series on his own.
  > >
  > > Speaking of Crown of Slaves--why do you assume that religion
  > > is the only reason against casual sex?
 >
 > I'm afraid you're going to have to narrow that question down a little. What
 > part of the novel are you referring to? As it stands, your question is so
 > general that I can't give an answer to it that just doesn't become (as the
 > rest of this thread promptly became) a long wrangle over every issue
 > involved with sex.
 >
 > Eric
 >
 >
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:43:52 -0800, Loren Pechtel wrote:

> Agreed--but the story seemed to assume that the only reason
> someone wouldn't thus engage is religious.

When and where did the story assume something like that?
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Michelle Steiner wrote:

 > In article <grb440tjlv0i6hqjuqsbbkredaru10r1pi RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
 > Frank Ney <n4zhg RemoveThis @icqmail.com> wrote:
 >
   > > >I'm not advocating abortion as a means of birth control, but as a last
   > > >resort if all other measures failed. And with the impending advent of
   > > >the morning-after pill as an over-the-counter item, the number of
   > > >abortions per insemination should go down noticably.
  > >
  > > No impending about it -- it's out. We just had a bunch of
  > > pharmacists fired for refusing to dispense it here in the USA.
 >
 > Right now, it requires a prescription; that's how those pharmacists were
 > able to refuse to dispense it--the women had to give them the
 > prescription. What is impending is making it over the counter, where a
 > woman can pick it off the shelf and take it to the checkout register,
 > without any prescription; just as with aspirin or chewing gum.
 >
  > > It's turning into a rather nasty 1st Amendment wrongful termination
  > > lawsuit.
 >
 > And they'll lose the suit because this has nothing to do with the first
 > amendment.

The government directing people to violate their deeply held religious
beliefs is a first amendment issue, though not related necessarily to free
speech. However, I had not heard about the terminations.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403011250400.13855 RemoveThis @ccc4.WPI.EDU>,
George D. Phillies <phillies RemoveThis @WPI.EDU> wrote:
 >
 >The government directing people to violate their deeply held religious
 >beliefs is a first amendment issue, though not related necessarily to
 >free speech. However, I had not heard about the terminations.

The government isn't directing people, it's an employer/employee
relationship. Someone working in a bookstore can't refuse to sell an
adult customer a copy of Playboy, no matter what zir religious beliefs
are, without expecting disciplinary action. Same thing here.
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