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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:27 pm
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Just finished CoS, very interesting. And I want another fix, soon.

How long am I going to wait?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:30 am
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"Jason Crowell" <jasonc.DeleteThis@iquest.net> wrote
 > Just finished CoS, very interesting. And I want another fix, soon.
 >
 > How long am I going to wait?

Eric Flint Wrote 8/30/2003
 > As it stands now, Dave's writing schedule looks like this:
 >
 > 1) He's going to write the first of the Saganami Island series next, with
 > the first book finished by the end of this year. That would come out
 > sometime in mid-2004.
 >
 > 2) Then he'll move on immediately and finish the sequel to CROWN OF
 > SLAVES, which I should have ready for him to work on by the end
 >of January. That should come out by the end of 2004 or early in 2005.
 >
 > 3) Then he's working on something outside of the Honor universe entirely.
 > (I can't remember what it is, so don't ask.)

Could be the next March book since he's sent the outline to John a month or
two ago.

 > 4) Then -- most likely -- he'll write the next "mainline" Honor novel. He
 > should get started on it sometime in late spring or early summer of 2004
 > and have that finished by sometime in the autumn of next year. If so, the
 > book would come out sometime in the middle of 2005. (But maybe
 > earlier, if he gets done in time and Baen decides to schedule it quickly
 > -- which they very well might.)
 >
 > (While he's working on that, I hope to write DANCE OF TIME and get the
 > Belisarius series wrapped up. But I've got to discuss it with Jim.)
 >
 > 5) Then -- most likely -- he and I will write 1634: THE BALTIC WAR, which
 > we'd hopefully have finished by the end of 2004. It would be published,
 > presumably, sometime in the late summer or fall of 2005.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:26 pm
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"Jason Crowell" <jasonc.TakeThisOut@iquest.net> wrote in message
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 > Just finished CoS, very interesting. And I want another fix, soon.
 >
 > How long am I going to wait?

To be quite honest, at the moment I don't care. The last two books have been
so poor compared to his earlier books that I hope he takes a big break to
focus on his other worlds (not that Baen will let him).

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:07 pm
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:26:25 +0100, Mike Strefford wrote:

 > To be quite honest, at the moment I don't care. The last two books have been
 > so poor compared to his earlier books that I hope he takes a big break to
 > focus on his other worlds (not that Baen will let him).
 >
 > Mike

I didn't think they were poor...but they weren't as good as some of the
earlier stuff. I've noticed that in almost all series...after 3 or 4
books things start to stagnate some. My favorite is still "Among
Enemies."

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:18 am
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I belive his latest books were a bitt heavyon the political and personal
side.
But they bring the plot nicely foreward to a great number of new
possibilities, and due to political treachery on both manticore and Hvans
side the blodshead will be enormous in the future stories.

Best Regards
Jorgen Fagerthun

I will forgive my enemies, but not before they are hanged.
"puddin tain" <pt109.TakeThisOut@die.spammers.com> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:26:25 +0100, Mike Strefford wrote:
 >
  > > To be quite honest, at the moment I don't care. The last two books have
been
  > > so poor compared to his earlier books that I hope he takes a big break
to
  > > focus on his other worlds (not that Baen will let him).
  > >
  > > Mike
 >
 > I didn't think they were poor...but they weren't as good as some of the
 > earlier stuff. I've noticed that in almost all series...after 3 or 4
 > books things start to stagnate some. My favorite is still "Among
 > Enemies."
 >
 > coldfire
 >
 >
 >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:35 pm
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<jorgen.TakeThisOut@liftup.no> wrote in message news:<c1a95e75f7725f1b10d0074a5fd9582c.TakeThisOut@news.meganetnews.com>...
 > I belive his latest books were a bitt heavyon the political and personal
 > side.

I kind of felt like there was a nugget or two of interesting action
hidden in a several tons of political silliness.

 > But they bring the plot nicely foreward to a great number of new
 > possibilities, and due to political treachery on both manticore and Hvans
 > side the blodshead will be enormous in the future stories.

I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It would
also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed. The last one,
however, blew my mind with the single individual derailing everything by
altering diplomatic messages. Sheesh. We know about redundency even now.


 > I will forgive my enemies, but not before they are hanged.
 > "puddin tain" <pt109.TakeThisOut@die.spammers.com> wrote in message
 > news:pan.2003.09.20.20.07.41.987321@die.spammers.com...
  > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:26:25 +0100, Mike Strefford wrote:
  > >
   > > > To be quite honest, at the moment I don't care. The last two books have
 > been
   > > > so poor compared to his earlier books that I hope he takes a big break
 > to
   > > > focus on his other worlds (not that Baen will let him).
   > > >
   > > > Mike
  > >
  > > I didn't think they were poor...but they weren't as good as some of the
  > > earlier stuff. I've noticed that in almost all series...after 3 or 4
  > > books things start to stagnate some. My favorite is still "Among
  > > Enemies."
  > >
  > > coldfire
  > >
  > >
  > >
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:54 pm
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dbtid <dbtid RemoveThis @dev-null.us> wrote in message news:<56222f06cf0798f71e3684d0d76c91bc RemoveThis @news.teranews.com>...
 > Ashland Henderson wrote:
  > >
  > > I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
  > > book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
  > > when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It would
  > > also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.
 >
 > (Sorry, but I can't help it!)
 >
 > "noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?

Yes. The noble to evil axis and the conservative to liberal axis do not
interact in any way.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:14 pm
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Ashland Henderson wrote:
 >
 > I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
 > book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
 > when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It would
 > also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.

(Sorry, but I can't help it!)

"noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:54 pm
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<jorgen RemoveThis @liftup.no> wrote in message
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 > LOL
 > Stil the books give a quite clear picture of an political system truly
 > abused by the persons in power.
 > "dbtid" <dbtid RemoveThis @dev-null.us> wrote in message
 > news:56222f06cf0798f71e3684d0d76c91bc@news.teranews.com...

If you're going to top-post, at least space it so it doesn't look so much
like part of the message header. :p

(Prefereably, don't top-post. There are about a thousand newsreaders out
there that'll let you post in the message body.)

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:52 pm
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LOL
Stil the books give a quite clear picture of an political system truly
abused by the persons in power.
"dbtid" <dbtid.TakeThisOut@dev-null.us> wrote in message
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 > Ashland Henderson wrote:
  > >
  > > I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
  > > book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
  > > when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It
would
  > > also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.
 >
 > (Sorry, but I can't help it!)
 >
 > "noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?
 >
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:55 am
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 > I kind of felt like there was a nugget or two of interesting action
 > hidden in a several tons of political silliness.
If you're referring to War of Honor, it is the first book I was rooting
for the Peeps and against Manticore (and Honor Harrington), because of the
political idiocy. My reaction was "Each nation gets the leaders they
deserve" and if those are the leaders of Manticore, which no one can
unelect than maybe Manticore deserves getting its ass kicked.


 > I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
 > book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
 > when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It
 > would also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed. The
 > last one, however, blew my mind with the single individual derailing
 > everything by altering diplomatic messages. Sheesh. We know about
 > redundency even now.
 >
 >
I don't know about political treachery, but there was at least one case I
know of, where an intelligence agent (due to his own prejudices) changed
reports to be more alarmist. It almost caused a war - they maneuvered, he
reported it as preparing for an attack, we considered calling in reserves
(which would have probably lead to war) but we didn't. It doesn't strike
me as impossible for the secretary of state to change diplomatic messages,
if everything goes through him - not impossible. The point is that the
political treachery doesn't matter at all. If the High Ridge government
had been negotiating in good faith, I doubt the treachery would have
appeared or been as effective. If they didn't negotiate in good faith, and
the secretary of state had been a perfect straight arrow guy, the war
would have probably erupted anyway. This brings me back to my quote in the
beginning.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:57 am
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 > Could be the next March book since he's sent the outline to John a month
 > or two ago.
 >
 >
Baen's Bar has this to say (quoting John Ringo, as quoted by Katherine
Lazo)
"We Few" by David Weber and John Ringo (Sequel to March to the Stars) The
battered remnant of the Bronze Battalion are finally off Marduk. On the
other hand, things could be better. There's the little problem of their
being an Imperial warrant for their heads on the charge of high treason
and murder. Then there's the fact that the only allies they can scrounge
up are two alien races one of whom is so strictly honest they don't even
lie about sex and the other of whom are empaths that engage in emotional
battles that accurately could be described as war. Then there's the
teensy-weensy problem that Roger refuses to even consider being Heir if
Nimashet won't marry him, and Nimashet won't marry him if he's Heir. The
teensy-weensy problem being that if there's no Heir, the Empire is going
to come apart at the seams.

And James Cochrane added this:

Last I heard, John and David both had some issues with the current plot
for _We Few_, and, both of them being rather busy, it's being set to one
side until they have a chance to figure out how to deal with them.

Or until Jim starts smacking both of them with blunt objects Smile<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:32 pm
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jorgen.TakeThisOut@liftup.no wrote:
 > "dbtid" <dbtid.TakeThisOut@dev-null.us> wrote in message
 > news:56222f06cf0798f71e3684d0d76c91bc@news.teranews.com...
 >
  >>Ashland Henderson wrote:
  >>
   >>>I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
   >>>book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
   >>>when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It
 >
 > would
 >
   >>>also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.
  >>
  >>(Sorry, but I can't help it!)
  >>
  >>"noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?
  >>
  >>
 >
 >
 >

(top-post and typos fixed)

  > LOL
  > Still the books give a quite clear picture of an political system
  > truly abused by the persons in power.

That they do... and in my ever-so-not-humble Smile opinion, in many ways
Weber does a good job of bringing out the foolishness of real-world
governments (i'm in the U.S., so that one comes to mind, but it's not
exclusive).

In the Honorverse, I think Weber does a great job of showing just how
foolish and self-serving (many) politicians are. I've known a few who,
by their voting record only, really DID care about what was going on
"back home." But my honesty compels me to admit that I'm cynical enough
to think that they just haven't been around the "system" long enough to
become perverted by it (SINCERE apologies to the Honorable PT -- I hope
it never happens to you!).

Anyway, thanks goes to Weber for putting a mirror up to international
society showing us just how ridiculous a lot of the political
maneuvering is. And by that I'm not singling out some of the
foolishness of past (and present) U.S. Administrations (they all have
flaws) -- I'm talking about peoples and nations all around the world.
No country (society, government, civilization) is all good or all bad.
They're comprised of people, none of whom are perfect.

In the Honorverse, I truly feel for people like Honor and Elizabeth, who
really DO have a heart, mind and soul to serve the people over whom they
have been given authority. I think Weber definitely paints a picture of
truly noble people... he shows us they're not perfect but they do their
best in spite of their frailties (not that one would think of Honor as
"frail," but I think my point is clear).

Thanks to Mr Weber.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:54 am
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dbtid <dbtid.DeleteThis@dev-null.us> wrote:
 > Ashland Henderson wrote:
  >>
  >> I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
  >> book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
  >> when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It would
  >> also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.

 > (Sorry, but I can't help it!)

 > "noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?

Hmm, well, I've seen a few evil conservatives... Pat Robertson comes to mind.

Don't know any none-evil liberals, though.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 9:48 am
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In article <NJ8db.11586$oa4.5643@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
croaker DeleteThis @soyokaze.gehirn.mine.nu says...
 > dbtid <dbtid DeleteThis @dev-null.us> wrote:
  > > Ashland Henderson wrote:
   > >>
   > >> I admit to having had trouble with the political treachery in the last
   > >> book or two mainly because it was so ridiculous. My gorge tends to rise
   > >> when I see noble conservatives and evil liberals across the board. It would
   > >> also tend to rise were the noble and evil labels reversed.
 >
  > > (Sorry, but I can't help it!)
 >
  > > "noble conservatives and evil liberals"... are there any other kind?
 >
 > Hmm, well, I've seen a few evil conservatives... Pat Robertson comes to mind.
 >
 > Don't know any none-evil liberals, though.

I've seen quite a few on both sides. It all depends on what you view as
evil.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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