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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:51 pm
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David, if you have looked into this deeply, do you know what exactly
Hooper wrote that is being interpreted as a claim about the length of
his whatever with Lewis? His exact words? Printed when and where?


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 > David, if you have looked into this deeply, do you know what exactly
 > Hooper wrote that is being interpreted as a claim about the length of
 > his whatever with Lewis? His exact words? Printed when and where?

I haven't looked in it all that deeply, I'm just impressed (but not
overwhelmed) by Lindskoog's arguments, and troubled by some things I
have come across elsewhere.

The case developed by Lindskoog is on several levels. For example,

1) That his friendship with Lewis, formalised into his appointment as
secretary almost on Lewis's deathbed (Hooper acknowledges this on p.117
of the Companion, in a quote that I don't think is entirely flattering
to Hooper), was misrperesented: for example, the implication that he
lived at The Kilns for a significant period during Lewis's lifetime is.
she says, disputed by several people close to Lewis;

2) That he was less than straghtforward about, e.g., a collection of
Lewis juvenilia which he did not make accessible until after Warnie's
death, and has obrtained Lewis material unethically and handled it
without due regard to the commonwealth of Lewis scholarship;

3) That in promoting The Dark Tower he knowingly promoted a forgery.

It is the first of these that I have most sympathy with. For example, I
have in front of me the 1970 US edition of God in the Dock. The
publisher's blurb on the back cover calls Hooper 'a long-time friend and
for some years personal secretary of C. S. Lewis' - which he manifestly
was not. Now even had that been written without his approval (and with
over 50 books published in various countries with my name on them in one
capacity or other, I can recall only one or two cases where I have not
been given sight of the blurb before printing, and many occasions when
I actually contributed the copy for it) - even if it appeared without
his knowledge, it seems to me that he should have taken every
opportunity to repudiate it. And he didn't, so far as I know.

I do not think it was villainy, but vanity, that allowed him to let the
misrepresentation stand. After all, he was in dispute with Lancelyn
Green and Clyde Kilby at various times and there was a distinct sense of
a battle for the mantle going on. Green repudiated, post-publication,
Hooper's contribution to the last chapter of their 1974 biography, for
example. (I happen to have the covering letter that Collins sent to
reviewers of the 1974 volume, and it's interesting that it describes
Green as CSL's 'friend for many years' but Hooper as 'for a while his
secretary and the editor of his many posthumous works'.) A little
woolliness existed in public perception of the length of the friendship
between Hooper and Lewis. According to the admittedly notoriously
unreliable A N Wilson (whom Lindskoog does a methodical job of
dismantling) it was a woolliness he liked to perpetuate.

I don't personally know whether Hooper *categorically stated* that he
was secretary for longer than a few months in Lewis's final year.
Lindskoog assembles a quantity of implications (such as his preface to
the collected poetry), and of references to personal exchanges and
moments of companionship between Hooper and Lews which do seem to add up
to a picture of a much longer, closer and more intimate relationship
than could have existed.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't regard it as a heinous sin if it
is as I suggest above. But it would make me somewhat cautious and, as I
said to Corinth, I wouldn't make the unchallenged veracity of Hooper a
yardstick for my opinions. But as I also said, Hooper's contribution to
Lewis studies has been immense and I think we should maybe move on from
the controversy.

On 2) above I'm content to say that I think Lindskoog's case as
presented by her in Light in the Shadowlands (1994 edition) deserves
much closer attention and respect than her critics have given it.

On 3) I am uncertain.

On one hand,.for example, Lindskoog comments that 'Lewis' in The Dark
Tower says that there were a certain number present in a room then goes
on immediately to describe a different number. But in the Allegory of
Love he introduces his topics and then seems to have forgotten that he
planned to focus on some of them. It happens and we must live with it.
I'm attracted by the view that all good writers are capapble of a false
start that can be disastrously bad (some of them, unfortunately, go on
to publish it ...)

On the other hand, I am uneasy about the Dark Tower itself, and very
uneasy that many who told Lindskoog that the case has been proven in
favour of Lewis behyond doubt by objective scientific tests have not
deemed it necessary to show those test results to Kathryn. As I said in
my earlier post - where's the body?

Finally I should declare two vested interests:

a) Walter Hooper wrote a very generous review of The Inklings Handbook
which I co-authored, and I'm grateful to him!

b) A colleague who has been prominent in Lewis studies for decades
assures me that he has information from Hooper which he is not at
liberty to share, which casts serious doubts on Lindskoog's case. I
realise that my colleague is also gulity of failing to produce the body,
but my respect for his integrity means that I must accept that if I did
have sight of this information, it might convince me in favour of Lewis.
It's possible, but it remains only a hypothetical possibility.

Hope this helps some.















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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:22 am
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Sorry I'm being monosyllabic lately. Smile I too wish the estate would
let more people publish stuff or hire some more editors and get more
books out, and maybe retire Hooper. Rilstone makes a good case that H
did a bad job on the poems. I liked Lindskoog's preferred versions of
some poems better than Hooper's. I don't like what I've seen of Hooper's
style (particularly, assuming they are his, the subtitles on the
MacMillian paperbacks that all start with 'How').

But none of that supports the degree of discrediting and blackening of
the man's character that's been going on!


On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:04 GMT, David R L Porter
<david.porter.RemoveThis@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

 >The message <3caktv4lc0bmj9kr7urposqffvt7pskan4.RemoveThis@4ax.com>
 >from m.RemoveThis@mooreeffoc.com contains these words:

/snip/

 >Green repudiated, post-publication,
 >Hooper's contribution to the last chapter of their 1974 biography, for
 >example.

The word 'repudiated' is very strong. Did G use that word? What exactly
did G say? Which of H's statements did he say were incorrect?

I have the 1994 Harvest edition. Did Green have any complaints about it?
Was the last chapter changed? Can we take the 1994 edition as correct?

/snip/

 >b) A colleague who has been prominent in Lewis studies for decades
 >assures me that he has information from Hooper which he is not at
 >liberty to share, which casts serious doubts on Lindskoog's case. I
 >realise that my colleague is also gulity of failing to produce the body,
 >but my respect for his integrity means that I must accept that if I did
 >have sight of this information, it might convince me in favour of Lewis.
 >It's possible, but it remains only a hypothetical possibility.

Some hypotheticals are more hypothetical than others. Smile

Have you asked your colleague whether he thinks there's a good reason
not to make the information public? Perhaps there's a good reason not
to show the body.


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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:04 GMT, David R L Porter
<david.porter RemoveThis @zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
/snip/

 >For example, I
 >have in front of me the 1970 US edition of God in the Dock. The
 >publisher's blurb on the back cover calls Hooper 'a long-time friend and
 >for some years personal secretary of C. S. Lewis' - which he manifestly
 >was not. Now even had that been written without his approval (and with
 >over 50 books published in various countries with my name on them in one
 >capacity or other, I can recall only one or two cases where I have not
 >been given sight of the blurb before printing, and many occasions when
 >I actually contributed the copy for it)

Many occasions? 50%?

If he deliberately wrote that himself, it would be, not dishonesty, but
lunacy: it might as well have read 'for some years a poached egg.'

If he did not write it, but neglected to read a proof copy, that's not
'lying', just ... neglect, or something.

Plus all sorts of other possibilities, like his correction not being
entered by the publisher, etc etc.

 >- even if it appeared without
 >his knowledge, it seems to me that he should have taken every
 >opportunity to repudiate it.

If something like that happened to you, how exactly would you go about
'repudiating' it?

I seem to remember Lewis saying that a publisher had made an error in a
preface or such in one of his books, but he wasn't going to bother
about it.

 >And he didn't, so far as I know.

How would we know, if he had done something reasonable like writing to
the publishers, mentioning the matter on some appropriate public
occasions, etc? Would you expect all that to be preserved in stone? Smile

Of course it may be that an American with little editorial experience,
might have a different idea of 'reasonable' than you do. Smile We tend to
consider blurbs as random publisher-generated nonsense,
uncorrectable....


 >I do not think it was villainy, but vanity, that allowed him to let the
 >misrepresentation stand. After all, he was in dispute with Lancelyn
 >Green and Clyde Kilby at various times and there was a distinct sense of
 >a battle for the mantle going on.

All the more reason to 'repudiate' it, to protect himself from a charge
of dishonesty (Green knew the truth, didn't he?) Why give ammunition to
the rival?

/snip/

 > (I happen to have the covering letter that Collins sent to
 >reviewers of the 1974 volume, and it's interesting that it describes
 >Green as CSL's 'friend for many years' but Hooper as 'for a while his
 >secretary and the editor of his many posthumous works'.)

Collins? Was this the reprint, that also carried the error? Odd that a
publisher would send out a covering letter that contradicted the blurb!
I'd think a publisher aware of the truth would have corrected the blurb
himself. Unless maybe there was some difficulty about correcting it, and
the publisher thought it not worthwhile.... In which case, Hooper is
hardly to blame; for all we know, the phrase in Collins's letter might
have been in response to a request from Hooper for correction.


 >A little
 >woolliness existed in public perception of the length of the friendship
 >between Hooper and Lewis.

That's not unreasonable. I was woolly about it myself. Not because of
statements by Hooper, blurbs, etc -- but just because I assumed that the
job of secretary and then of editor would naturally be given to someone
of many years in the inner ring. Smile

/snip/

 >I don't personally know whether Hooper *categorically stated* that he
 >was secretary for longer than a few months in Lewis's final year.

It seems to me that proof of such a statement, would be needed to
justify a charge of 'lying'. Or any charge or implication of dishonesty.

/snip/

 > But as I also said, Hooper's contribution to
 >Lewis studies has been immense and I think we should maybe move on from
 >the controversy.

Leaving him branded as someone who cannot be believed? (Plus the worse
charges?)

/snip/

 >On one hand,.for example, Lindskoog comments that 'Lewis' in The Dark
 >Tower says that there were a certain number present in a room then goes
 >on immediately to describe a different number.

Was this supposed to be Lewis's final draft? Even if so -- that's what
copyeditors are for. Smile


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m.DeleteThis@mooreeffoc.com wrote in message news:<gsjptvk8ktlr2lflc7dhoqegsov82ggsn5.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
 > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:04 GMT, David R L Porter
 > <david.porter.DeleteThis@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
  > >The
  > >publisher's blurb on the back cover calls Hooper 'a long-time friend and
  > >for some years personal secretary of C. S. Lewis' - which he manifestly
  > >was not. Now even had that been written without his approval (and with
  > >over 50 books published in various countries with my name on them in one
  > >capacity or other, I can recall only one or two cases where I have not
  > >been given sight of the blurb before printing, and many occasions when
  > >I actually contributed the copy for it)
 >

 > If he deliberately wrote that himself, it would be, not dishonesty, but
 > lunacy: it might as well have read 'for some years a poached egg.'
 >
Ah, the famous Liar, Lunatic, or Lewis trilemma.

I tend to lean toward "Liar", but there is a whole range of plausible shadings.

It could have been a boldfaced, outright lie. He might have figured that Lewis'
close associates would have better things to do than engage in a public
battle with him over such trivia. By putting as many as he could under
personal obligation to him, he could further reduce the chance of public
exposure. The goal of the deception would presumably have been to
strengthen his claim to control over the posthumous publication of
Lewis' work.

It could have been an agonizingly rationalized lie. "It was his birthday,
D\'eagol ought to have given the ring to him. It had obviously turned up
just so as to be a present. It *was* his bithday present, and so on, and on."
The idea might have been that he was uniquely qualified to handle the
literary estate as Lewis would have wanted it to be handled (which was
possibly true).

It could have been a false memory, such as can often be produced in
perfectly sane people by strong emotion.

 > If he did not write it, but neglected to read a proof copy, that's not
 > 'lying', just ... neglect, or something.
 >
 > Plus all sorts of other possibilities, like his correction not being
 > entered by the publisher, etc etc.
 >
I can think of several. He described his term of office (orally)
as several years, knowing even as he said the words that they
weren't literally true, but not meaning to lie per se. Once he saw
them in print, they were so delightful (and not after all his words)
that he decided to leave them alone.

He gave a strong impression of having a long and intimate friendship
and a long professional association with Lewis, without actually using
the words "several years". (Such an impression, by the way, is given
in the introductions to my copies of "Medieval and Renaissance
Literature" and "Present Concerns".) The publisher jumped to
conclusions, and Hooper hadn't the heart to correct the poor
overworked fellow.

He saw that the blurb was inaccurate and intended to write to the
publisher to correct it, but the press of other work delayed the letter
until it was too late.

And so on, ad nauseam.

  > >- even if it appeared without
  > >his knowledge, it seems to me that he should have taken every
  > >opportunity to repudiate it.
 >
 > If something like that happened to you, how exactly would you go about
 > 'repudiating' it?
 >
I would write to the publisher and complain. A small Christian publisher
like Eerdmans would surely bend over backward to oblige a man
who could send new volumes of Lewis their way. If I were feeling
particularly energetic or particularly guilty (feeling that something
I said had given a misleading impression...), I would add a note to
the preface of the next edition saying "A curious misunderstanding
led to an error on the back cover of the first edition. Like everyone
who know this great and good man, I wish that my acquaintance with
him had been much longer, but in point of fact..."

 > How would we know, if he had done something reasonable like writing to
 > the publishers, mentioning the matter on some appropriate public
 > occasions, etc? Would you expect all that to be preserved in stone? Smile
 >
We don't know, but we have a pretty good idea. If a man goes to a great
deal of trouble to create a misleading impression (and this, at least,
Hooper is guilty of if he was not intimate with Lewis for years),
it is "stretching courtesy part use and reason" to believe that he made
an effort to correct a blurb that promotes this very impression.

 > Of course it may be that an American with little editorial experience,
 > might have a different idea of 'reasonable' than you do. Smile We tend to
 > consider blurbs as random publisher-generated nonsense,
 > uncorrectable....
 >
Speaking as an American with little editorial experience, I disagree.
Publisher-generated, possibly; nonsense, often; but not random.

 > Collins? Was this the reprint, that also carried the error? Odd that a
 > publisher would send out a covering letter that contradicted the blurb!

Collins was the English publisher (of the 1969 edition).
 >
  > >I don't personally know whether Hooper *categorically stated* that he
  > >was secretary for longer than a few months in Lewis's final year.
 >
 > It seems to me that proof of such a statement, would be needed to
 > justify a charge of 'lying'. Or any charge or implication of dishonesty.
 >
On the contrary, it is possible to lie without moving your lips. At times
possible to lie while telling the literal truth.

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 > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:04 GMT, David R L Porter
 > <david.porter.DeleteThis@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

  > >I can recall only one or two cases where I have not
  > >been given sight of the blurb before printing, and many occasions when
  > >I actually contributed the copy for it)

 > Many occasions? 50%?

Oh yes.

 > If he deliberately wrote that himself, it would be, not dishonesty, but
 > lunacy: it might as well have read 'for some years a poached egg.'

Pardon? Why wouldn't have been dishonesty?

  > >- even if it appeared without
  > >his knowledge, it seems to me that he should have taken every
  > >opportunity to repudiate it.

 > If something like that happened to you, how exactly would you go about
 > 'repudiating' it?

It *has* happened to me, in various ways: for example I was once given
the title of Director of a fairly well-known organisation by an editor,
when in fact I was just one of the directors. A seemingly small matter
but actually quite embarrassing as it looked as if I had deliberately
misrepresented myself. I simply took every opportunity for a while, when
writing or speaking in situations where it was an issue, to either say
something like 'If I may just correct a slight misunderstanding that has
been created', or to define my role in the organisation properly. No big
deal.

In the UK, Hooper was 'Mr C S Lewis' in many contexts, not least in the
posthumous publishing process. He could have said in each of his
introductions, 'My relationship with Lewis lasted only a few months at
the very end of his life, though I fear it has sometimes been
exaggerated by others' or suchlike. He could then very legitimately have
talked about the special quality of those few months. As it is, I can
quite see why relatives like Warnie and long-term friends like Green
were cross with him.

I made it clear in my earlier posts, I think, that I don't demonise
Hooper in the way some do (and I don't think Lindskoog does either). I
do think he mishandled the matter, but then we all do things like that
from time to time. Lindskoog's most serious accusations (about which I
have remained agnostic in these posts) concern matters of stewardship of
literary remains, forgery and the like. If those were ever proved
conclusively Hooper's reputation would be wrecked. The issue of some
over-self-promotion is a bit different. But even though I don't think it
should be made a big issue, it does mean that his infallibility can't be
assumed on anything (but then neither can anyone's).

 > Of course it may be that an American with little editorial experience,
 > might have a different idea of 'reasonable' than you do. Smile We tend to
 > consider blurbs as random publisher-generated nonsense,
 > uncorrectable....

The handful of American publishers I've dealt with were different, but
it's hardly a valid sample ... I've had some horrendous experiences with
cover designs, mind you, but that *is* an area where the author is not
usually allowed much input - it's sales-force territory.

  > >(I happen to have the covering letter that Collins sent to
  > >reviewers of the 1974 volume, and it's interesting that it describes
  > >Green as CSL's 'friend for many years' but Hooper as 'for a while his
  > >secretary and the editor of his many posthumous works'.)

 > Collins? Was this the reprint, that also carried the error?

You're confusing two books - God in the Dock, a collection which I don't
think ever appeared in the UK, and the Green/Hooper 1974 biography,
which I had just mentioned.

  > >A little
  > >woolliness existed in public perception of the length of the friendship
  > >between Hooper and Lewis.

 > That's not unreasonable. I was woolly about it myself. Not because of
 > statements by Hooper, blurbs, etc -- but just because I assumed that the
 > job of secretary and then of editor would naturally be given to someone
 > of many years in the inner ring. Smile

Exactly. People more antagonistic to Hooper than I say he traded on
that. Hooper himself made the situation clear (after many years) in the
Companion p.117 - 'There will be hundreds of letters. I must have a
secretary' ([quoting Sayer] CSL 18 July 1963).

Can we have a Christmas truce on this? It's well-trodden ground, and I
don't want to get to a point where by articulating the arguments they
start becoming more important to me than they currently are. I like
fallible old Hooper, just as I liked fallible old C S Lewis. In fact, on
that note, if there were something I would want to pick a bone with
Hooper about right now, it would be his dogged refusal to acknowledge,
in the Companion, Dame Helen Gardner's highly informed and almost
reverential discussion of CSL's fallibity in her British Academy
obituary!

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On 15 Dec 2003 04:59:32 -0800, larsen.TakeThisOut@math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
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 >m@mooreeffoc.com wrote in message news:<gsjptvk8ktlr2lflc7dhoqegsov82ggsn5.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
  >> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:04 GMT, David R L Porter
  >> <david.porter.TakeThisOut@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
   >> >The
   >> >publisher's blurb on the back cover calls Hooper 'a long-time friend and
   >> >for some years personal secretary of C. S. Lewis' - which he manifestly
   >> >was not.

/snip/

  >> If he deliberately wrote that himself, it would be, not dishonesty, but
  >> lunacy: it might as well have read 'for some years a poached egg.'

/snip/

 >It could have been a boldfaced, outright lie.

Such a plan would be lunacy. Smile Certain to be found out, little to be
gained in the meantime. The estate certainly knew what and when he'd
been paid, and the estate would read the blurb. Instant debunk, perhaps
instant firing. The estate also had the position to ask the publisher
who wrote the blurb, whether H had tried to get it corrected, etc.

 > He might have figured that Lewis'
 >close associates would have better things to do than engage in a public
 >battle with him over such trivia.

No public battle needed. At most, just a tip to whoever hired him.

 >By putting as many as he could under
 >personal obligation to him, he could further reduce the chance of public
 >exposure.

Too many people knew. His resume would show him teaching in the US most
of those years. He was only in UK for part of 1963, iirc.

 > The goal of the deception would presumably have been to
 >strengthen his claim to control over the posthumous publication of
 >Lewis' work.

If Green, who knew the truth, was one of his rivals, it would be lunacy
to give him such ammunition.

/snip/

 >He gave a strong impression of having a long and intimate friendship
 >and a long professional association with Lewis, without actually using
 >the words "several years". (Such an impression, by the way, is given
 >in the introductions to my copies of "Medieval and Renaissance
 >Literature" and "Present Concerns".)

I don't have those. Could you quote them?

According to the revised 1994 edition of the Hooper/Green biography, H
and Lewis had corresponded for some years before H came to UK to write
a "critical study" on L. Presumably they corresponded about literature
and L's work.


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 > On 15 Dec 2003 04:59:32 -0800, larsen.TakeThisOut@math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
 > wrote:
 >
  > >He gave a strong impression of having a long and intimate friendship
  > >and a long professional association with Lewis, without actually using
  > >the words "several years". (Such an impression, by the way, is given
  > >in the introductions to my copies of "Medieval and Renaissance
  > >Literature" and "Present Concerns".)
 >
 > I don't have those. Could you quote them?
 >
Here's a sample (from SiM&RL, 1965):

"This brings me to his plans for retirement. Lewis asked several times
what I should like him to write. I wanted him to finish his novel on Menelaus,
but he could not see his way after the first few chapters. Then I suggested
he might do a translation of Layamon's Brut: this he liked, although it
meant, he said, waiting for the new E. E. T. S. edition to appear."

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:12 pm
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'Intimate' and 'professional' are your readings, Hooper did not claim
anyhthing of the kind here.

I don't see where you get anything other than 'intimate' out of this,
which was true. Look at the last parts of LETTERS TO AN AMERICN LADY re
L's ill health, fear of being left alone while ill.

Professional.... they had corresponded for some years (9???) before
Hooper came to UK, presumably about literary matters. Plenty of time for
a fan to request some new books. Smile

Since this is about "plans for retirement", I'd expect it was recounting
conversations (perhaps light) during the time Lewis was thinking about
what he should do during retirement. Which was a time when Hooper was in
UK and hanging out with him, researching H's book about him.


Mary
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On 17 Dec 2003 03:28:56 -0800, larsen RemoveThis @math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
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>m@mooreeffoc.com wrote in message news:<n4qvtv8t8fiqib36cogjf2n4to8rloregu RemoveThis @4ax.com>...
>> On 15 Dec 2003 04:59:32 -0800, larsen RemoveThis @math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >He gave a strong impression of having a long and intimate friendship
>> >and a long professional association with Lewis, without actually using
>> >the words "several years". (Such an impression, by the way, is given
>> >in the introductions to my copies of "Medieval and Renaissance
>> >Literature" and "Present Concerns".)
>>
>> I don't have those. Could you quote them?
>>
>Here's a sample (from SiM&RL, 1965):
>
>"This brings me to his plans for retirement. Lewis asked several times
>what I should like him to write. I wanted him to finish his novel on Menelaus,
>but he could not see his way after the first few chapters. Then I suggested
>he might do a translation of Layamon's Brut: this he liked, although it
>meant, he said, waiting for the new E. E. T. S. edition to appear."
>
> -Michael Larsen
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:40 am
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On 15 Dec 2003 04:59:32 -0800, larsen.RemoveThis@math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
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/snip/

 >On the contrary, it is possible to lie without moving your lips.

By remaining silent, or by not trying hard enough to correct an
incorrect impression?

By that standard, I could be accused of lying by not responding to
certain points, or by dropping the subject. Smile


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m.RemoveThis@mooreeffoc.com wrote in message news:<36n9uv8dp53sr7ri53grjcmrk6cr7sf42p.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
 > On 15 Dec 2003 04:59:32 -0800, larsen.RemoveThis@math.indiana.edu (Michael Larsen)
 > wrote:
 > /snip/
 >
  > >On the contrary, it is possible to lie without moving your lips.
 >
 > By remaining silent, or by not trying hard enough to correct an
 > incorrect impression?
 >
If you really don't know how this can be done, read Othello. See, e.g.,
Act III, Scene III in case you don't know the play and don't want to
search it.

 > By that standard, I could be accused of lying by not responding to
 > certain points, or by dropping the subject. Smile
 >
I don't think, at this point, that anyone will accuse you of lying for
dropping this subject. Most people who care about the question,
and many who do not, have formed their opinions of Hooper. I had
intended to give you the last word, and replied only to answer a
direct question; I will try to follow Iago from now on, regarding this
thread:

"Demand me nothing: what you know, you know:
From this time forth I never will speak word."

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