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Since: May 13, 2004 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 8:29 pm
Post subject: The Horse and His Boy: Miscegenation! Archived from groups: alt>books>cs-lewis (more info?)
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I was rereading The Horse and His Boy and I thought of a question to ask
this group.
As we know, Aravis and Shasta get married at the end. Aravis, a
Calormene, is dark-skinned, and Cor, an Archenlander, is light-skinned.
The first several times I read the book, I didn't think about that at
all, as it really is of no importance. Somewhere along the line though,
I learned a bit more history and realized that people didn't always
approve of such things.
I was in college before I ever heard the word "miscegenation." I had to
look it up, and I thought it was the stupidest concept I'd ever heard
of.
So now, apart from thinking that the ending of that book was about the
funniest "romance" I've ever read ("they got so used to fighting and
making up that they got married so as to go on doing it more
conveniently"), I think it's real neat that a book written in the 50's
has an interracial set of heroes, and ends with interracial marriage.
Take that, racist pigdogs.
But my question is this: did this pass under the radar of the racists
of the 50's, or was there any sort of outcry against this? Or, were the
sort of people likely to be racist also not likely to do much reading?
I figure the people of this group know more about CS Lewis than I do and
so might know.
Cheers,
Túrin >> Stay informed about: The Horse and His Boy: Miscegenation! |
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Since: Oct 08, 2003 Posts: 51
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:34 pm
Post subject: Re: The Horse and His Boy: Miscegenation! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article <40A3B07A.32E8.RemoveThis@nospam.knoledge.org>, Túrin
<mormegil.RemoveThis@nospam.knoledge.org> wrote:
> I was rereading The Horse and His Boy and I thought of a question to ask
> this group.
>
> As we know, Aravis and Shasta get married at the end. Aravis, a
> Calormene, is dark-skinned, and Cor, an Archenlander, is light-skinned.
>
> The first several times I read the book, I didn't think about that at
> all, as it really is of no importance. Somewhere along the line though,
> I learned a bit more history and realized that people didn't always
> approve of such things.
>
> I was in college before I ever heard the word "miscegenation." I had to
> look it up, and I thought it was the stupidest concept I'd ever heard
> of.
>
> So now, apart from thinking that the ending of that book was about the
> funniest "romance" I've ever read ("they got so used to fighting and
> making up that they got married so as to go on doing it more
> conveniently"), I think it's real neat that a book written in the 50's
> has an interracial set of heroes, and ends with interracial marriage.
>
> Take that, racist pigdogs.
>
> But my question is this: did this pass under the radar of the racists
> of the 50's, or was there any sort of outcry against this? Or, were the
> sort of people likely to be racist also not likely to do much reading?
>
> I figure the people of this group know more about CS Lewis than I do and
> so might know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Túrin
The books do not make much of the darkness of Calormene complexions. I
would guess that the Calormenes look a little like modern Turks or
Arabs; their style is generally like that of storybook Near-Easterners.
(Note that these books are entertainment, not anthropology.) The
illustrations by Pauline Baynes give the Calormenes straightish hair
and Caucasian features. In line drawings, it would be difficult to
indicate dark skin, anyway.
It is true that some people have disapproved of "interracial"
marriages. It is also true that this disapproval has been more intense
in America than elsewhere.
I dimly remember from kindergarten days (1947 or so) a children's book
in which a little bunny rabbit with white fur marries a little bunny
rabbit with black fur. I less dimly remember from the early 1960's
that some segregationists were very indignant about this insidious
propaganda.
Only in America, folks; only in America.
And, at that, only when the culture war was in a very hot phase and
very much concentrated on this issue.
The wowsers who were upset about the little bunny rabbits probably
didn't read the Narnia books.
--
Chris Henrich
God just doesn't fit inside a single religion.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: The Horse and His Boy: Miscegenation! |
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Since: Jul 11, 2003 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:03 pm
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>"Christopher J. Henrich" chenrich DeleteThis @monmouth.com
writes:
> It is also true that this disapproval has been more intense
>in America than elsewhere.
>
>I dimly remember from kindergarten days (1947 or so) a children's book
>in which a little bunny rabbit with white fur marries a little bunny
>rabbit with black fur. I less dimly remember from the early 1960's
>that some segregationists were very indignant about this insidious
>propaganda.
>
>Only in America, folks; only in America.
>
>And, at that, only when the culture war was in a very hot phase and
>very much concentrated on this issue.
>
>The wowsers who were upset about the little bunny rabbits probably
>didn't read the Narnia books.
I don't mean to excuse the depth of racism that existed and still exists in
America but have you ever heard of South Africa, Rhodesia etc. not settled by
Americans unless I am mistaken.
It is easy to fault other cultures past and present if one uses current
morality as a standard, no doubt future generations will look upon us as
ignorant and biased as well.Also, it is not so easy to judge the harm done by
patronizing, paternalistic crypto-bigots who, by implicitly assuming the
inferiority of the object of their intentions, stifle their development; their
position seems so commendable at the time.
Daryl
And when He knew for certain, only drowning men could see Him.
He said all men shall be sailors then, until the sea shall free them.
(Leonard Cohen)
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Since: Oct 08, 2003 Posts: 51
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:30 am
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In article <20040515160336.28211.00000583.RemoveThis@mb-m28.aol.com>, Daryl
<darylgene.RemoveThis@aol.comnopax> wrote:
> >"Christopher J. Henrich" chenrich.RemoveThis@monmouth.com
>
> writes:
>
> > It is also true that this disapproval has been more intense
> >in America than elsewhere.
> >
>
> >I dimly remember from kindergarten days (1947 or so) a children's book
> >in which a little bunny rabbit with white fur marries a little bunny
> >rabbit with black fur. I less dimly remember from the early 1960's
> >that some segregationists were very indignant about this insidious
> >propaganda.
> >
> >Only in America, folks; only in America.
> >
> >And, at that, only when the culture war was in a very hot phase and
> >very much concentrated on this issue.
> >
> >The wowsers who were upset about the little bunny rabbits probably
> >didn't read the Narnia books.
>
> I don't mean to excuse the depth of racism that existed and still exists in
> America but have you ever heard of South Africa, Rhodesia etc. not settled by
> Americans unless I am mistaken.
>
> It is easy to fault other cultures past and present if one uses current
> morality as a standard, no doubt future generations will look upon us as
> ignorant and biased as well.Also, it is not so easy to judge the harm done by
> patronizing, paternalistic crypto-bigots who, by implicitly assuming the
> inferiority of the object of their intentions, stifle their development; their
> position seems so commendable at the time.
>
True.
When I said "only in America" I was thinking of the absurdity of
getting upset about the little bunny rabbits.
--
Chris Henrich
"Now that I have cleared up my initial confusion, I feel I am confused on a
much higher plane, and about more significant issues."
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 5:05 pm
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>"Christopher J. Henrich" chenrich.DeleteThis@monmouth.com writes:
>When I said "only in America" I was thinking of the absurdity of
>getting upset about the little bunny rabbits.
Hey, we all have our fixations
If you take one puff you'll be hooked for life.
Daryl
And when He knew for certain, only drowning men could see Him.
He said all men shall be sailors then, until the sea shall free them.
(Leonard Cohen)
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