Former X-Men Reader. Magneto?!? AOA??!?

mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.08.24.15.48.59.297043@nospam.com:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:12:29 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:
>> mimf <mimf DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:pan.2007.08.23.14.18.17.710448@nospam.com:

>>> Morrison's Magneto still did what he did though. If you kill someone
>>> while you're high, you're still responsible and people remember you
>>> for it. They think there's some part of you that would want to do
>>> that, even when not high.
>>
>> There's some indication that Sublime was guiding everything. Note
>> that in Here Comes Tomorrow that Beast had been completely taken over
>> by Sublime because he took Kick. See where I'm going with this?
>
> Yes. Especially after reading Billy's post. I think my biggest problem
> is the lack of explanation of how and why he'd take Kick in the first
> place. Where would he get it? Why would he use it? How long would he
> have used it before it got control of him and he came up with this
> weird plan to disguise himself as Xorn and attack New York? Emma Frost
> said she sampled Kick once, and there weren't any apparant ill term
> effects in her.

As I recall, there weren't known side effects for Kick, other than I
think a psychological feeling of being more powerful (which matched
actually being more powerful.)

Unless I missed something, Morrison never revealed how Magneto
started upon that path. There is a gap between his injury prior to
Morrison's run and faking his death during the destruction of Genosha.

One can project whatever answer one wants into that gap. You could
say Magneto made a mistake in a moment of weakness, as having nearly
been killed may have made him more willing to try a power-increasing
item that was believed safe. You could say he recovered fine, and
just wanted more power. You could say he never had a choice, and
was unknowingly given Kick/Sublime (quite possibly while recovering
from his injury.) Or you could even say he was a lunatic from the
start and knowingly cut a deal with Sublime.

Morrison may just have seen it as unimportant. The important part
was that Magneto became a major and long term aid to Sublime's plans.
How or when he became involved, how much he knew, and how compliant
he was didn't matter compared to what happened. How the readers saw
Magneto was up to them, as information was so lacking that nearly
any answer could be supported.

(Strangely, this should arguably have prevented complaints that
Magneto was written out of character, as no reader knew how much at
any point *was* Magneto versus how much was the influence or even
the control of Sublime. Even Magneto's involvement in the start
was secret.)

Billy Bissette <baines.TakeThisOut@coastalnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9996CE78F64F9whatcholookinat@216.168.3.70:

> As I recall, there weren't known side effects for Kick, other than I
> think a psychological feeling of being more powerful (which matched
> actually being more powerful.)

There definitely were known side effects. Emma mentioned that it would
make a person insane with prolonged use.

> Unless I missed something, Morrison never revealed how Magneto
> started upon that path. There is a gap between his injury prior to
> Morrison's run and faking his death during the destruction of Genosha.

True.

> One can project whatever answer one wants into that gap. You could
> say Magneto made a mistake in a moment of weakness, as having nearly
> been killed may have made him more willing to try a power-increasing
> item that was believed safe. You could say he recovered fine, and
> just wanted more power. You could say he never had a choice, and
> was unknowingly given Kick/Sublime (quite possibly while recovering
> from his injury.) Or you could even say he was a lunatic from the
> start and knowingly cut a deal with Sublime.

Sublime wanted mutants dead. What deal could Magneto make that would
have their ideals compatible?

> Morrison may just have seen it as unimportant. The important part
> was that Magneto became a major and long term aid to Sublime's plans.
> How or when he became involved, how much he knew, and how compliant
> he was didn't matter compared to what happened. How the readers saw
> Magneto was up to them, as information was so lacking that nearly
> any answer could be supported.

Partly true. Morrison does write that way. However, we do know that
Sublime's long-term plan also seemed to involve Cassandra Nova. How she
fit in was never really explained, especially since she was his enemy in
the end.

> (Strangely, this should arguably have prevented complaints that
> Magneto was written out of character, as no reader knew how much at
> any point *was* Magneto versus how much was the influence or even
> the control of Sublime. Even Magneto's involvement in the start
> was secret.)

It's always easier to complain rather than to look into things.