Messiah CompleX Question

grinningdemon wrote:
> Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>
> We don't know...just that she's very powerful...some think she's
> Phoenix/Jean reborn but it's all been rather ambiguous so far.

By all appearances it is: Fix anything.
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> The Black Guardian wrote:
>> grinningdemon wrote:
>>> Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>>>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>>
>>> We don't know...just that she's very powerful...some think she's
>>> Phoenix/Jean reborn but it's all been rather ambiguous so far.
>>
>> By all appearances it is: Fix anything.
>
> Like, say, the missing x-gene?

I wouldn't doubt it. In one fell swoop, it cured Rogue of Strain-88
and kicked billions of minds out of hers.
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The Black Guardian wrote in


> grinningdemon wrote:
>> Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>
>> We don't know...just that she's very powerful...some think she's
>> Phoenix/Jean reborn but it's all been rather ambiguous so far.
>
> By all appearances it is: Fix anything.

Like, say, the missing x-gene?
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On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
wrote:
> So what's that mutant baby's power?

It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I mean
the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.
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Tigers692 wrote in


> On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
> wrote:
>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>
> It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I mean
> the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.

X-Men 207 only confirmed the looks. The phoenix force itself resides in
the Stepford Cuckoos.
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:49:43 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:

> The Black Guardian wrote in
>
>
>> grinningdemon wrote:
>>> Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>>>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>>
>>> We don't know...just that she's very powerful...some think she's
>>> Phoenix/Jean reborn but it's all been rather ambiguous so far.
>>
>> By all appearances it is: Fix anything.
>
> Like, say, the missing x-gene?


Remember when Skids was giving that book (the one that usually has blank
pages) to Magneto and told him he was still a mutant? What was that
supposed to mean?
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:35:32 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
wrote:

>On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
>wrote:
>> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>
>It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I mean
>the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.

It didn't confirm anything...it was ambiguous at best...there are
things about it that could be said to be hints that she is Phoenix but
each of those things could just as easily be explained away any number
of ways...for instance, shall we count the number of redheads in the
Marvel Universe? Jean isn't even the only one from the x-titles.
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On Jan 29, 7:36 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:35:32 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
>
> wrote:
> >On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
> >wrote:
> >> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>
> >It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I mean
> >the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.
>
> It didn't confirm anything...it was ambiguous at best...there are
> things about it that could be said to be hints that she is Phoenix but
> each of those things could just as easily be explained away any number
> of ways...for instance, shall we count the number of redheads in the
> Marvel Universe?  Jean isn't even the only one from the x-titles.

http://www.geocities.com/tigers692/pheonix.JPG

Well, they look alike.....and the locket that she is playing with is
one of her and scott.
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:04:26 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
wrote:

>On Jan 29, 7:36 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:35:32 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
>>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
>> >wrote:
>> >> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>
>> >It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I mean
>> >the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.
>>
>> It didn't confirm anything...it was ambiguous at best...there are
>> things about it that could be said to be hints that she is Phoenix but
>> each of those things could just as easily be explained away any number
>> of ways...for instance, shall we count the number of redheads in the
>> Marvel Universe?  Jean isn't even the only one from the x-titles.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/tigers692/pheonix.JPG
>
>Well, they look alike.....and the locket that she is playing with is
>one of her and scott.

Yes, but the locket was used to illustrate Scott's feelings of
loss...Jean's death aside, the memories it triggered were more about
Cable than Jean...the way I saw it was the locket remined him of all
the tragedy he and his family have been thrugh and that he had the
opportunity to spare the baby that pain...Scott had become
increasingly cold and calculating over the course of the storyline and
they needed a moment of humanity to pull him back from that (hence,
the picture of Jean)...and, frankly, the baby looks as much like
Wolfsbane or Siryn as she does Jean.
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grinningdemon wrote in


> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:04:26 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 29, 7:36 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:35:32 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
>>> >wrote:
>>> >> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>>
>>> >It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I
mean
>>> >the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.
>>>
>>> It didn't confirm anything...it was ambiguous at best...there are
>>> things about it that could be said to be hints that she is Phoenix
but
>>> each of those things could just as easily be explained away any
number
>>> of ways...for instance, shall we count the number of redheads in the
>>> Marvel Universe?  Jean isn't even the only one from the x-titles.
>>
>>http://www.geocities.com/tigers692/pheonix.JPG
>>
>>Well, they look alike.....and the locket that she is playing with is
>>one of her and scott.
>
> Yes, but the locket was used to illustrate Scott's feelings of
> loss...Jean's death aside, the memories it triggered were more about
> Cable than Jean...the way I saw it was the locket remined him of all
> the tragedy he and his family have been thrugh and that he had the
> opportunity to spare the baby that pain...Scott had become
> increasingly cold and calculating over the course of the storyline and
> they needed a moment of humanity to pull him back from that (hence,
> the picture of Jean)...and, frankly, the baby looks as much like
> Wolfsbane or Siryn as she does Jean.

The locket made me think it might be Rachel for some reason,
particularly with Rachel's ties to Cable's timeline. Besides, why
would new baby Jean have Jean's locket?

Yeah, it is kind of a mess at the moment, but that is probably
the point. The baby was presented in a way that would raise
questions so that people would buy the follow-up books for the next
few years until Marvel finally reveals an answer, which might have
as much as a 50/50 chance of coming out of left field anyway, just
to be "surprising".
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Billy Bissette wrote in


> The locket made me think it might be Rachel for some reason,
> particularly with Rachel's ties to Cable's timeline. Besides, why
> would new baby Jean have Jean's locket?

I thought Rachel, too, but she doesn't make much sense. We already
have a Rachel. The only way it could work at all is if Jean was
somehow pregnant when she died and managed to return just to give
birth.

> Yeah, it is kind of a mess at the moment, but that is probably
> the point. The baby was presented in a way that would raise
> questions so that people would buy the follow-up books for the next
> few years until Marvel finally reveals an answer, which might have
> as much as a 50/50 chance of coming out of left field anyway, just
> to be "surprising".

I actually hope this is an entirely new character. I'm guessing that
she'll eventually grow up offscreen - in the future - and return as
hero.
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:43:37 -0000, Billy Bissette
wrote:

>grinningdemon wrote in
>
>
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:04:26 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 29, 7:36 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:35:32 -0800 (PST), Tigers692
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >On Jan 26, 2:20 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin"
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >> So what's that mutant baby's power?
>>>>
>>>> >It's Pheonix, if you look at the series thats where it's going. I
>mean
>>>> >the kid slowly got red hair, and then Xmen 207 confirmed it.
>>>>
>>>> It didn't confirm anything...it was ambiguous at best...there are
>>>> things about it that could be said to be hints that she is Phoenix
>but
>>>> each of those things could just as easily be explained away any
>number
>>>> of ways...for instance, shall we count the number of redheads in the
>>>> Marvel Universe?  Jean isn't even the only one from the x-titles.
>>>
>>>http://www.geocities.com/tigers692/pheonix.JPG
>>>
>>>Well, they look alike.....and the locket that she is playing with is
>>>one of her and scott.
>>
>> Yes, but the locket was used to illustrate Scott's feelings of
>> loss...Jean's death aside, the memories it triggered were more about
>> Cable than Jean...the way I saw it was the locket remined him of all
>> the tragedy he and his family have been thrugh and that he had the
>> opportunity to spare the baby that pain...Scott had become
>> increasingly cold and calculating over the course of the storyline and
>> they needed a moment of humanity to pull him back from that (hence,
>> the picture of Jean)...and, frankly, the baby looks as much like
>> Wolfsbane or Siryn as she does Jean.
>
> The locket made me think it might be Rachel for some reason,
>particularly with Rachel's ties to Cable's timeline. Besides, why
>would new baby Jean have Jean's locket?

The baby didn't have Jean's locket...Scott was wearing it and the baby
grabbed it when he picked her up.

>
> Yeah, it is kind of a mess at the moment, but that is probably
>the point. The baby was presented in a way that would raise
>questions so that people would buy the follow-up books for the next
>few years until Marvel finally reveals an answer, which might have
>as much as a 50/50 chance of coming out of left field anyway, just
>to be "surprising".

Agreed.
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On 4 Feb 2008 23:40:08 GMT, Dan McEwen wrote:

>Billy Bissette wrote in
>
>
>> The locket made me think it might be Rachel for some reason,
>> particularly with Rachel's ties to Cable's timeline. Besides, why
>> would new baby Jean have Jean's locket?
>
>I thought Rachel, too, but she doesn't make much sense. We already
>have a Rachel. The only way it could work at all is if Jean was
>somehow pregnant when she died and managed to return just to give
>birth.

Would that really be any stranger than Cable being born from Jean's
evil clone who also died and came back a couple times?

>
>> Yeah, it is kind of a mess at the moment, but that is probably
>> the point. The baby was presented in a way that would raise
>> questions so that people would buy the follow-up books for the next
>> few years until Marvel finally reveals an answer, which might have
>> as much as a 50/50 chance of coming out of left field anyway, just
>> to be "surprising".
>
>I actually hope this is an entirely new character. I'm guessing that
>she'll eventually grow up offscreen - in the future - and return as
>hero.

I hope this is the case as well...and, in the mean time, we can have
some hillarious "Three Men and a Baby"-style moments with Cable and
the baby...and, of course, that rascally Bishop constantly trying to
kill her.
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