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Since: Apr 02, 2006 Posts: 67
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:20 pm
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:46:21 +0930, Mummy Az <manth.TakeThisOut@westnet.com.au>
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>On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:27:05 -0700, Kat Hein <katenigma00.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
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>>Ah, so you're okay with only you, Az ,John, Dave, et al having free
>>access to ABML and the rest of us can pay or not have access? Just as
>>long as it doesn't effect you?
>>
>>I guess I thought better of the remaining ABML denizens than you do of
>>those of us in the U.S.
>>
>>Kat
>
>Actually, I already have to pay in order to get ABML. It's not
>carried by my local server and although I have asked them to add it
>they have yet to do so (and I've been with my current ISP for over a
>year now so I'm not holding my breath).
>
>I consider the small amount I pay per month to be well worth the
>inconvenience of getting the group.
>
>Az
Having double-checked, it's actually one of my OTHER groups that
resulted in my purchasing newsfeed. The sentiment remains, though. It
was worth it TO ME to do this. Other people will work out whether or
not it is worth it TO THEM to change abml to something different or to
buy a newsfeed from somewhere other than their ISP or to change ISPs
or whatever.
If abml becomes rabml or something else I suspect it will be my
paid-for newsfeed that will carry it soonest! Their response to each
request I've put in for them to carry something has been 'sure thing,
there you go' within 24 hours of putting in the request.
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Since: Apr 18, 2008 Posts: 164
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:20 pm
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"Mummy Az" <manth DeleteThis @westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:46:21 +0930, Mummy Az <manth DeleteThis @westnet.com.au>
> wrote:
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>>On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:27:05 -0700, Kat Hein <katenigma00 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>Ah, so you're okay with only you, Az ,John, Dave, et al having free
>>>access to ABML and the rest of us can pay or not have access? Just as
>>>long as it doesn't effect you?
>>>
>>>I guess I thought better of the remaining ABML denizens than you do of
>>>those of us in the U.S.
>>>
>>>Kat
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>>Actually, I already have to pay in order to get ABML. It's not
>>carried by my local server and although I have asked them to add it
>>they have yet to do so (and I've been with my current ISP for over a
>>year now so I'm not holding my breath).
>>
>>I consider the small amount I pay per month to be well worth the
>>inconvenience of getting the group.
>>
>>Az
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> Having double-checked, it's actually one of my OTHER groups that
> resulted in my purchasing newsfeed.
That's nice to know. {smile}
> The sentiment remains, though. It
> was worth it TO ME to do this. Other people will work out whether or
> not it is worth it TO THEM to change abml to something different or to
> buy a newsfeed from somewhere other than their ISP or to change ISPs
> or whatever.
I understand... but I'm concerned about excluding folks because they
can't afford the money required to keep up with us. {half-smile}
> If abml becomes rabml or something else I suspect it will be my
> paid-for newsfeed that will carry it soonest! Their response to each
> request I've put in for them to carry something has been 'sure thing,
> there you go' within 24 hours of putting in the request.
That's nice to know. A responsive provider is so nice to find! {Smile}
So... how are the two groups' coverage of Big-8 groups? I found a list
here: http://moleski.net/newsgroups/checkgroups/list.htm and I'm mainly
concerned with rec.arts. It looks a little small, but that's a secondary
concern. I mainly want to be sure folks are getting what's supposed to be
there. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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Since: Jun 24, 2008 Posts: 29
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:05 pm
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On Jun 24, 7:38 pm, "Joe Morris" <j.c.mor... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> "Barry Ruck" <barry.r... RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > To be absoluitly honest, this only affects US ISPs.
>
> > If you really want access, then take up an account with individual.net,
> > which is what I did when my ISP's news servers were really flaky.
>
> As a counter-argument, while most of us have been here in abml for some
> time, it would be to our advantage to bring new converts into the fold, with
> new ideas, and <gasp> maybe some postings that actually discuss our Esteemed
> Author. (Miracles *do* happen)
>
> The US is not (obviously, except to certain politicians) the Center of the
> Universe and the ability of non-US NSPs to distribute newsgroups isn't
> likely to be impacted by the prospects of Senator Jack S. Phogbound's
> upcoming election campaign. Nevertheless, there are lots of people whose
> access to newsgroups will be whatever their ISP is willing to provide, so
> moving abml into the Big 8 will improve the chances of being seen.
>
> Joe Morris (reading and posting from a brand-new NewsGuy account)
Advantage to using google: I can visit ABML from work when things are
slow (I'm at home now though).
Disadvantage: It is clunky!!
Advantage to moving to "big8": I can use Thunderbird.
Disadvantage: Reading their rules, it seems as if they don't like
groups that do not stay on topic; ABML has rampant topic drift, and
that is good in my opinion. If moving to "big8" means losing the
family atmosphere of ABML, then my vote is to stay in the alt.
universe (and *what* an alternate universe!!).
Disadvantage: I doubt they would let us name the group
rec.arts.books.by.lackey so our name could officially be RABBL.
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Since: Apr 18, 2008 Posts: 164
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:05 pm
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"Aaron Kemtek" <kemtek.1.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 24, 7:38 pm, "Joe Morris" <j.c.mor....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Barry Ruck" <barry.r....RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > To be absoluitly honest, this only affects US ISPs.
>>
>> > If you really want access, then take up an account with individual.net,
>> > which is what I did when my ISP's news servers were really flaky.
>>
>> As a counter-argument, while most of us have been here in abml for some
>> time,
>> it would be to our advantage to bring new converts into the fold, with
>> new ideas, and <gasp> maybe some postings that actually discuss our
>> Esteemed Author. (Miracles *do* happen)
>>
>> The US is not (obviously, except to certain politicians) the Center of
>> the
>> Universe and the ability of non-US NSPs to distribute newsgroups isn't
>> likely to be impacted by the prospects of Senator Jack S. Phogbound's
>> upcoming election campaign. Nevertheless, there are lots of people whose
>> access to newsgroups will be whatever their ISP is willing to provide, so
>> moving abml into the Big 8 will improve the chances of being seen.
>>
>> Joe Morris (reading and posting from a brand-new NewsGuy account)
>
> Advantage to using google: I can visit ABML from work when things are
> slow (I'm at home now though).
> Disadvantage: It is clunky!!
I'll try to remember that. I've been thinking idly of trying Google if my
providers act up again. {Smile}
> Advantage to moving to "big8": I can use Thunderbird.
> Disadvantage: Reading their rules, it seems as if they don't like
> groups that do not stay on topic; ABML has rampant topic drift, and
> that is good in my opinion.
We like it so much, we wrote it into the description of RABML/RASWML when
we tried to start it the last time. At that time, folks in the Big8 didn't
seem to mind. I don't know if they didn't realize what we meant, or if
they've changed... or if they're more open to topic drift than they appear
to be. {pause}
I think this might be worth a try. If we don't like how it works out,
we'll still have ABML to come back to. {Smile} Besides, would it be that bad
to have another newsgroup to point to when folks traipse in and demand to
know where the talk about Mercedes Lackey's books are? {AMUSED SMILE}
> If moving to "big8" means losing the
> family atmosphere of ABML, then my vote is to stay in the alt.
> universe (and *what* an alternate universe!!).
Then we come back here, and point folks who want to discuss the books and
not the rest over there. {shrug, Smile} (There's precedent for this. I was
checking out the book-groups that are in Big8, and that sounds like the
relationship between alt.fan.robert-jordan and
rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan . Sounds like a win-win situation to me,
since the folks who want to stay on topic and the folks who don't aren't in
each others' hair.{Smile})
> Disadvantage: I doubt they would let us name the group
> rec.arts.books.by.lackey so our name could officially be RABBL.
That would be a neat acronym! {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
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Since: Mar 03, 2007 Posts: 54
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:38 pm
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"Barry Ruck" <barry.ruck DeleteThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:
> To be absoluitly honest, this only affects US ISPs.
>
> If you really want access, then take up an account with individual.net,
> which is what I did when my ISP's news servers were really flaky.
As a counter-argument, while most of us have been here in abml for some
time, it would be to our advantage to bring new converts into the fold, with
new ideas, and <gasp> maybe some postings that actually discuss our Esteemed
Author. (Miracles *do* happen)
The US is not (obviously, except to certain politicians) the Center of the
Universe and the ability of non-US NSPs to distribute newsgroups isn't
likely to be impacted by the prospects of Senator Jack S. Phogbound's
upcoming election campaign. Nevertheless, there are lots of people whose
access to newsgroups will be whatever their ISP is willing to provide, so
moving abml into the Big 8 will improve the chances of being seen.
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Since: Apr 18, 2008 Posts: 164
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:39 pm
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"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Barry Ruck" <barry.ruck.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> To be absoluitly honest, this only affects US ISPs.
>>
>> If you really want access, then take up an account with individual.net,
>> which is what I did when my ISP's news servers were really flaky.
>
> As a counter-argument, while most of us have been here in abml for some
> time,
> it would be to our advantage to bring new converts into the fold, with new
> ideas, and <gasp> maybe some postings that actually discuss our
> Esteemed Author. (Miracles *do* happen)
>
> The US is not (obviously, except to certain politicians) the Center of the
> Universe and the ability of non-US NSPs to distribute newsgroups isn't
> likely to be impacted by the prospects of Senator Jack S. Phogbound's
> upcoming election campaign. Nevertheless, there are lots of people whose
> access to newsgroups will be whatever their ISP is willing to provide, so
> moving abml into the Big 8 will improve the chances of being seen.
{thoughtful look} Part of me would like to start a new group over there
just to see what develops. Maybe nothing much would, but maybe something
would. Maybe we'd meet new people with new ideas. Maybe we wouldn't like how
it turned out, but maybe we would. It could be interesting. {Smile}
If we don't try, we'll never know. And if we do try, and we don't like
the way it develops, we'll still have ABML.
> Joe Morris (reading and posting from a brand-new NewsGuy account)
Do you like NewsGuy so far? {Smile}
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Since: Mar 03, 2007 Posts: 54
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:15 am
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"Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote:
> {thoughtful look} Part of me would like to start a new group over there
> just to see what develops. Maybe nothing much would, but maybe something
> would. Maybe we'd meet new people with new ideas. Maybe we wouldn't like
> how it turned out, but maybe we would. It could be interesting. {Smile}
>
> If we don't try, we'll never know. And if we do try, and we don't like
> the way it develops, we'll still have ABML.
>
>> Joe Morris (reading and posting from a brand-new NewsGuy account)
>
> Do you like NewsGuy so far? {Smile}
Well..."so far" in this case equates to "I've used it twice, including this
session." I splurged and signed up for 12 months of service (plus an extra
month free because I'm a Verizon customer) which costs $39.95, with a 10
GB/month limit (unlikely I'll ever use that much; I've never downloaded a
movie and don't plan to do so) - and if I ever do go over the limit a
"Bandwidth on Demand" option automagically sells me another 10 GB for $2.50.
Unused bandwidth [*] rolls over to the following month with no limit. No
problems so far.
[*] it's *data volume*, not *bandwidth*, but the industry seems to have
latched onto the wrong word to describe it.
One item that came up during registration I found interesting: a question of
whether or not I wanted the account to have access to "adult" newsgroups.
There wasn't any definition of what NewsGuy considers an "adult" newsgroup
(name? reputation? something else?) but presumably a family account could
be set up to exclude at least some of the garbage that one can find --
accidentally or otherwise -- on USENET.
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Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 68
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:29 pm
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Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
newsgroups?
Edna
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Since: Jun 24, 2008 Posts: 29
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 pm
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<snip>
> Unused bandwidth [*] rolls over to the following month with no limit. No
> problems so far.
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> [*] it's *data volume*, not *bandwidth*, but the industry seems to have
> latched onto the wrong word to describe it.
It isn't how fast you go, but how many total miles you drive they
don't like!
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:11 pm
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In article <huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008.TakeThisOut@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Edna <huelsenbeck.TakeThisOut@gmailDOT.com> wrote:
> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> newsgroups?
I can see it on my server (Comcast = Outsourced to GigaNews/SuperNews)
but pulling headers on it shows me a total of 6 messages, all dated
between 21-NOV-2004 and 10-OCT-2005. Two of them are obvious "alphabet
spams" of a "MAKE MONEY FAST!!!" variant. Two more are variants on the
"I found this great store online..." spam. One is a "Buy your travel
tickets from us" spam, and the last one is a message that looks at least
semi-legit, even though it's flogging a "Robert Heinlein Centennial Con"
that was apparently scheduled for July of last year in Kansas City,
apparenty posted by one of the ConCom folks.
In other words, it looks a WHOLE LOT like a dead/abandoned/improperly
newgroup-ed group.
--
Don Bruder - dakidd.TakeThisOut@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
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Since: Mar 03, 2007 Posts: 54
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:26 pm
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"Edna" <huelsenbeck.DeleteThis@gmailDOT.com> wrote:
> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> newsgroups?
Whose news server were you using? Verizon did not, and NewsGuy does not,
carry any rasfw.* group other than the one for Robert Jordan.
rasfwrj was created to move the huge volume of postings about his Wheel of
Time series out of rasfw -- and also to move out of the original group the
incessant complaints about the lousy artwork on the book covers. The move
also damped the flamewars that were fanned by the people in rasfw who
detested Jordan.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:10 pm
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On 6/24/2008 6:28 PM, Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
[snip of various excellent points]
>> Disadvantage: I doubt they would let us name the group
>> rec.arts.books.by.lackey so our name could officially be RABBL.
>
> That would be a neat acronym! {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
Oh, I second that!
--
victoreia (currently posting from a new [free!] account on
news.motzarella.org)
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:23 pm
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On 6/23/2008 8:23 AM, Kat Hein wrote:
> In case people missed the developments in the "I need a recommendation
> for a usenet service..." thread: Thanks to the governor of NY putting
> pressure on ISP's to stop carrying the binary groups (and I suspect the
> ISP's being more than happy to comply, to free up the bandwidth) Verizon
> has announced that they will no longer carry the ALT hierarchy, or
> anything other than "the big 8" and it's possible that other ISP's will
> follow Verizon's stupid move.
>
> As a result, it's been suggested that we might want to move over to the
> Rec Hierarchy.
[massive snip]
While I don't see much reason to block such a move, unless ABML were to
completely disappear off the face of the earth/vanish from the
airwaves/whatever metaphor suits you, I personally am not really
enthused about moving.
Quite apart from the fact that I hate moving of any kind (living address
twice within the last six years, office space three times within the
last two years), this "Big8" issue really _does_ only affect folks in
the US, and only parts of the US, at that. Since my ISP
(TimeWarner/Roadrunner) just dropped all usenet access two days ago with
*no* warning, I've already found a free alternative-just since
discovering the change about an hour ago. (Thank you to whomever-it-was
that posted that list, btw; I'm currently trying out news.motzarella.org.)
All that being said, if the move becomes official & a permanent
migration occurs, I'll go with the flow.......
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:24 pm
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Edna wrote:
> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> newsgroups?
>
> Edna
Well... dang. I'm going to try cross-posting this email message
to rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey -- a check for "live"ness.
Hmmmm.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:05 pm
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"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote:
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>> {thoughtful look} Part of me would like to start a new group over there
>> just to see what develops. Maybe nothing much would, but maybe something
>> would. Maybe we'd meet new people with new ideas. Maybe we wouldn't like
>> how it turned out, but maybe we would. It could be interesting. {Smile}
>>
>> If we don't try, we'll never know. And if we do try, and we don't like
>> the way it develops, we'll still have ABML.
>>
>>> Joe Morris (reading and posting from a brand-new NewsGuy account)
>>
>> Do you like NewsGuy so far? {Smile}
>
> Well..."so far" in this case equates to "I've used it twice, including
> this
> session."
I understand you haven't had a chance to feel it out or anything yet.
Still, it's good to know NewsGuy makes a good first impression. {SMILE}
> I splurged and signed up for 12 months of service (plus an extra
> month free because I'm a Verizon customer) which costs $39.95, with a 10
> GB/month limit (unlikely I'll ever use that much; I've never downloaded a
> movie and don't plan to do so) - and if I ever do go over the limit a
> "Bandwidth on Demand" option automagically sells me another 10 GB for
> $2.50.
That is nice, as long as you aren't budgeting too heavily. {Smile}
> Unused bandwidth [*] rolls over to the following month with no limit. No
> problems so far.
>
> [*] it's *data volume*, not *bandwidth*, but the industry seems to have
> latched onto the wrong word to describe it.
That happens a lot. {half-smile} Folks latch onto the wrong word for
something, and _nothing_ can get them to change. {lop-sided smile}
> One item that came up during registration I found interesting: a question
> of whether or not I wanted the account to have access to "adult"
> newsgroups. There wasn't any definition of what NewsGuy considers an
> "adult" newsgroup (name? reputation? something else?) but presumably a
> family account could
> be set up to exclude at least some of the garbage that one can find --
> accidentally or otherwise -- on USENET.
That is interesting. {Smile} I just hope they have good judgment about
what they consider "adult." I've found automated definitions of that leave
much to be desired. {lop-sided smile}
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for the ABML no can sing choir members - http://www.kingfeatures.com/features/comics/tumblewd/about.htm Tuesday, July 22 issue (they run their www issues 2 weeks behind RL) Just for you. Another potential ABMLNCSC member? Megan Pointkeeper o' the Moment Keeper of the FAQ:..
abml xmas cards receiver - Just got one from Dave Joll in NZ. I assume he has gotten mine. :) Its 36C here! For reference, human body temperature is 37C. -- John Oliver jdoliver@westnet.com.au AIM or MSN jdoliver98
ABML Holiday Card Exchange -- the third (fourth? second? w.. - Passing this along from a good friend... When writing out your Christmas and Hanukah cards, please consider mailing one or more to: A Recovering American soldier c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center 6900 Georgia Avenue,NW Washington ,.. |
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