Moving ABML to the Rec Hierarchy?

m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] formulated the question :
> Edna wrote:
>> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to see
>> what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>> newsgroups?
>>
>> Edna
>
> Well... dang. I'm going to try cross-posting this email message to
> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey -- a check for "live"ness.
>
> Hmmmm.

Well it propogates, but only one of my news servers carry the group,
and it's not individual.net !

Nothing here exept cigarrette SPAM

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Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> "Edna" <huelsenbeck.DeleteThis@gmailDOT.com> wrote in message
> news:huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
>>Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>newsgroups?
>
> I see it on HOL/aloha.net, and on HawaiianTel. However, it's not on
> Google groups, nor on the list of official Big-8 groups. {pause}
>
> I seem to remember that it got involved in some wag's bogus propagation
> messages towards the end of our RFD. Cancel messages were sent out, but not
> every news carrier is good about acknowledging those, I guess. {smile}
>
> I think if we want truly widespread access to it, we'll still need to go
> thru the process to make it official. {Smile}

sigh. And having it already set up would have saved paperwork...

If we move, that is. I'm trying to keep a mental tally to see if
we "lose" anyone. So far... I don't thiiiink so.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:11:41 -0700, Don Bruder <dakidd DeleteThis @sonic.net> wrote:

>In article <huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008 DeleteThis @newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Edna <huelsenbeck DeleteThis @gmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>> newsgroups?
>
>I can see it on my server (Comcast = Outsourced to GigaNews/SuperNews)
>but pulling headers on it shows me a total of 6 messages, all dated
>between 21-NOV-2004 and 10-OCT-2005. Two of them are obvious "alphabet
>spams" of a "MAKE MONEY FAST!!!" variant. Two more are variants on the
>"I found this great store online..." spam. One is a "Buy your travel
>tickets from us" spam, and the last one is a message that looks at least
>semi-legit, even though it's flogging a "Robert Heinlein Centennial Con"
>that was apparently scheduled for July of last year in Kansas City,
>apparenty posted by one of the ConCom folks.
>
>In other words, it looks a WHOLE LOT like a dead/abandoned/improperly
>newgroup-ed group.

inproperly newgrouped. raswm-l very definitely did not go through the
voting process required to create a new Big 8 group. Without that, many
(most) news servers won't carry it. Some servers will carry any group a
client requests, but that doesn't mean that group will be propogated. In
fact, it pretty strongly contra-indicates the group being propogated.


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In article <g3unm108su RemoveThis @news3.newsguy.com>,
"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:

> "Edna" <huelsenbeck RemoveThis @gmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> > see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> > rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> > newsgroups?
>
> Whose news server were you using? Verizon did not, and NewsGuy does not,
> carry any rasfw.* group other than the one for Robert Jordan.
>
> rasfwrj was created to move the huge volume of postings about his Wheel of
> Time series out of rasfw -- and also to move out of the original group the
> incessant complaints about the lousy artwork on the book covers. The move
> also damped the flamewars that were fanned by the people in rasfw who
> detested Jordan.
>
> Joe (who was there when rasfwrj was created)

I am on Comcast, which I believe uses GigaNews.

Edna


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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:24:00 -0700, "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Edna wrote:
>> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>> newsgroups?
>>
>> Edna
>
>Well... dang. I'm going to try cross-posting this email message
>to rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey -- a check for "live"ness.
>
>Hmmmm.

Doesn't appear to be on the bnb server
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John Oliver wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:24:00 -0700, "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Edna wrote:
>>> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>> newsgroups?
>>>
>>> Edna
>> Well... dang. I'm going to try cross-posting this email message
>> to rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey -- a check for "live"ness.
>>
>> Hmmmm.
>
> Doesn't appear to be on the bnb server
> --
> John Oliver
> jdoliver DeleteThis @westnet.com.au
> AIM or MSN jdoliver98

Hm, apparently, not on the Swiss servers either (I asked a friend with
another ISP to check...). There is rec.arts.sf.written, and
rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan, and that is all.


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"William George Ferguson" <wmgfrgsn.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:11:41 -0700, Don Bruder <dakidd.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008.RemoveThis@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
>> Edna <huelsenbeck.RemoveThis@gmailDOT.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>> newsgroups?
>>
>>I can see it on my server (Comcast = Outsourced to GigaNews/SuperNews)
>>but pulling headers on it shows me a total of 6 messages, all dated
>>between 21-NOV-2004 and 10-OCT-2005. Two of them are obvious "alphabet
>>spams" of a "MAKE MONEY FAST!!!" variant. Two more are variants on the
>>"I found this great store online..." spam. One is a "Buy your travel
>>tickets from us" spam, and the last one is a message that looks at least
>>semi-legit, even though it's flogging a "Robert Heinlein Centennial Con"
>>that was apparently scheduled for July of last year in Kansas City,
>>apparenty posted by one of the ConCom folks.
>>
>>In other words, it looks a WHOLE LOT like a dead/abandoned/improperly
>>newgroup-ed group.
>
> inproperly newgrouped. raswm-l very definitely did not go through the
> voting process required to create a new Big 8 group. Without that, many
> (most) news servers won't carry it. Some servers will carry any group a
> client requests, but that doesn't mean that group will be propogated. In
> fact, it pretty strongly contra-indicates the group being propogated.

That fits with what I remember. I believe that RASWM-L was one of a bunch
of Big-8 newsgroups that had been in discussion when someone decided to put
out the make-group signal as some sort of joke. {lop-sided smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> "Edna" <huelsenbeck.TakeThisOut@gmailDOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>>
>>>Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>>see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>>rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>>newsgroups?
>>
>> I see it on HOL/aloha.net, and on HawaiianTel. However, it's not on
>> Google groups, nor on the list of official Big-8 groups. {pause}
>>
>> I seem to remember that it got involved in some wag's bogus
>> propagation
>> messages
>> towards the end of our RFD. Cancel messages were sent out, but not every
>> news carrier is good about acknowledging those, I guess. {smile}
>>
>> I think if we want truly widespread access to it, we'll still need to
>> go thru the process to make it official. {Smile}
>
> sigh. And having it already set up would have saved paperwork...

Yes, it certainly would have. {small smile}

> If we move, that is. I'm trying to keep a mental tally to see if we
> "lose" anyone. So far... I don't thiiiink so.

{cross fingers hopefully, Smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> "Edna" <huelsenbeck.RemoveThis@gmailDOT.com> wrote:

>>>Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>>see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>>rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>>newsgroups?

>> I see it on HOL/aloha.net, and on HawaiianTel. However, it's not on
>> Google groups, nor on the list of official Big-8 groups. {pause}

> sigh. And having it already set up would have saved paperwork...

Does anyone know if the r.a.sf.w.m-l group is a rogue? Some news server
managers don't do a particularly good job of flushing out big-8 groups that
were never approved by The Usenet Cabal but were the subject of forged
control messages; this would be consistent with the appearance of the group
on only a small number of NSP servers.

If it is a rogue, I'm guessing that we shouldn't try to pick up its name
since there are probably a variety of (real) RMGROUP control messages still
floating around in an attempt to kill off the rogue.

Joe Morris
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In article <g418sp0efu RemoveThis @news5.newsguy.com>,
"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:

> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
> > Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> >> "Edna" <huelsenbeck RemoveThis @gmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> >>>see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> >>>rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> >>>newsgroups?
>
> >> I see it on HOL/aloha.net, and on HawaiianTel. However, it's not on
> >> Google groups, nor on the list of official Big-8 groups. {pause}
>
> > sigh. And having it already set up would have saved paperwork...
>
> Does anyone know if the r.a.sf.w.m-l group is a rogue? Some news server
> managers don't do a particularly good job of flushing out big-8 groups that
> were never approved by The Usenet Cabal but were the subject of forged
> control messages; this would be consistent with the appearance of the group
> on only a small number of NSP servers.

Yep, exactly.

>
> If it is a rogue, I'm guessing that we shouldn't try to pick up its name
> since there are probably a variety of (real) RMGROUP control messages still
> floating around in an attempt to kill off the rogue.
>
> Joe Morris

I'll second that. Chances are high that it's on a list of groups that
get sent RMGROUP messages periodically in an effort to remove bogus
groups.

More than likely the only reason that it still exists on Giga/SuperNews
servers is they've long had a reputation for wanting to be able to boast
the largest number of "available groups".

It wouldn't surprise me if the "Jerry Garcia" banner groups (all several
hundred of them - get them all, sort your grouplist correctly, print it
out on an old teletype terminal, turn it sideways, and you get a giant
banner that reads "Jerry Garcia" in ASCII-art) are lurking in the
Gigia/Supernews servers...

(Gawd... the fact that I remember those groups dates me horribly,
doesn't it?)

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"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>> "Edna" <huelsenbeck.TakeThisOut@gmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
>>>>see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
>>>>rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
>>>>newsgroups?
>
>>> I see it on HOL/aloha.net, and on HawaiianTel. However, it's not on
>>> Google groups, nor on the list of official Big-8 groups. {pause}
>>
>> sigh. And having it already set up would have saved paperwork...
>
> Does anyone know if the r.a.sf.w.m-l group is a rogue?

I believe it is. My memory easily confuses dates, but it doesn't usually
create practical jokers out of whole cloth. {half-smile}

> Some news server managers don't do a particularly good job of flushing
> out big-8 groups that
> were never approved by The Usenet Cabal but were the subject of forged
> control messages; this would be consistent with the appearance of the
> group
> on only a small number of NSP servers.

That fits what I think I remember about this. {small smile}

> If it is a rogue, I'm guessing that we shouldn't try to pick up its name
> since there are probably a variety of (real) RMGROUP control messages
> still
> floating around in an attempt to kill off the rogue.

So... what alternate name would you suggest? {considering look}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin

> Joe Morris
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"Aaron Kemtek" <kemtek.1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 24, 7:38 pm, "Joe Morris" <j.c.mor....TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Barry Ruck" <barry.r....TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > To be absoluitly honest, this only affects US ISPs.
>

For NOW this is true. Will it be so next year? Sorry, my foresight is on
the fritz!

Disadvantage: I doubt they would let us name the group
rec.arts.books.by.lackey so our name could officially be RABBL.

Now THAT is a name that fits!
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"Edna" <huelsenbeck.RemoveThis@gmailDOT.com> wrote in message
news:huelsenbeck-3ECAF3.16294625062008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> Okay, this is weird. I was looking around the rec.arts.* hierarchy, to
> see what was there, and lo and behold, I found something called
> rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey. Does anyone else see this in their list of
> newsgroups?

Yep, and today is the FIRST time I've seen any posts there!

>
> Edna
>
>
> ---|)--- Edna Huelsenbeck (huelsenbeck@gmailDOTcom) ------------
> ---|---- Goddess of the ABML Out-of-Practice-Musicians Band -----
> --/|---- Member, Brute Squad, Mommy Division --------------------
> -| |')-- Provisional Member of the Sisterhood of Mess -----------
> --\|/----Official Bard of the Book and Bridle -------------------
> |
> '
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