Narnia Annoyances

"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > That's a good point. The rotten sequels to Huckleberry Finn are worse
> > because Twain did them himself.

> And the good one (_Tom Sawyer Abroad_) is better for that reason.

Is it actually good? It's a long time since I read them - and I don't think
I read them all the way through.

J/
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"Westprog" <westprgo.DeleteThis@hotmail.ie> wrote in message
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> "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > That's a good point. The rotten sequels to Huckleberry Finn are worse
>> > because Twain did them himself.
>
>> And the good one (_Tom Sawyer Abroad_) is better for that reason.
>
> Is it actually good? It's a long time since I read them - and I don't
> think
> I read them all the way through.

I like it. There's not much plot, it's basically a set of converations
between Tom, Huck, and Jim about religion, politics, history, etc. with Jim
being to voice of common sense.
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"AJA" <ahnemann.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> writes:

> Perhaps. But that is not what we have here. We have a completed
> series written by the creator of that series. And later- much, much
> later- we have other writers adding to that created series. I'm not
> sure this is wise. Why not just call these new books something else,
> not billed as anything to do with Narnia.

I completely agree. But I would probably be one of the first to
complain over PC or TLB.

--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o "Larry, everybody steals shrimp
The RockBear. ((^)) and everybody lies about it.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> SS13 wrote:
>
> > It is NOT possible. AIMB the Narnian Estate already denied at least
> > THREE authors (Karol Lindskoog, Michel Faber and another) to publish
> > such stories. Before 2033(earliest) it's only possible as fanfic or as
> > manipulated story. (Like Neil Gaiman's "The problem of Susan").
>
> What's the address for the Narnian Estate?


Here is The C.S. Lewis Company's

The C.S. Lewis Co. Ltd.
First Floor
Unit 4, Old Generator House
Bourne Valley Road
Poole
Dorset
BH12 1DZ
United Kingdom

Personally I think the logical thing to do is just put an end to all
this foolishness once and for all, and inoculate the Chronicles by
publishing an official "Tale After Narnia". I am not saying allow it
to be published, I am saying, endorse it! Here it is, all you people
who do not think that such a book can be any good, don't have to read
it. But for the rest of you, this is it.
Fanfic, manipulated story, or whatever, becomes redundant or Silly at
that point, as would any attempt to publish such stories in the future,
legal or no. And thus it would be safe from both without and from
within. For who is to say who will fallow Douglas Gresham (may he live
for ever) as custodian of the trust? We can hope that it will be a man
of integrity, who loves and cherishes truth, beauty and goodness. But
it could be someone who loves gold more than art and would sell the
rights to such story to any trashy hack for a few quid. So let it be
preserved now, for all generations while there reigns still in Cair
Paravel one who new the Prophesier himself.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> SS13 wrote:

> > It is NOT possible. AIMB the Narnian Estate already denied at least
> > THREE authors (Karol Lindskoog, Michel Faber and another) to publish
> > such stories. Before 2033(earliest) it's only possible as fanfic or as
> > manipulated story. (Like Neil Gaiman's "The problem of Susan").


> What's the address for the Narnian Estate?



Here is The C.S. Lewis Company's

The C.S. Lewis Co. Ltd.
First Floor
Unit 4, Old Generator House
Bourne Valley Road
Poole
Dorset
BH12 1DZ
United Kingdom


Personally I think the logical thing to do is just put an end to all
this foolishness once and for all, and inoculate the Chronicles by
publishing an official "Tale After Narnia". I am not saying allow it
to be published, I am saying, endorse it! Here it is, all you people
who do not think that such a book can be any good, don't have to read
it. But for the rest of you, this is it.
Fanfic, manipulated story, or whatever, becomes redundant or Silly at
that point, as would any attempt to publish such stories in the future,

legal or no. And thus it would be safe from both without and from
within. For who is to say who will fallow Douglas Gresham (may he live
for ever) as custodian of the trust? We can hope that it will be a man
of integrity, who loves and cherishes truth, beauty and goodness. But
it could be someone who loves gold more than art and would sell the
rights to such story to any trashy hack for a few quid. So let it be
preserved now, for all generations while there reigns still in Cair
Paravel one who knew the Prophesier himself.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> SS13 wrote:
> > It is NOT possible. AIMB the Narnian Estate already denied at least
> > THREE authors (Karol Lindskoog, Michel Faber and another) to publish
> > such stories. Before 2033(earliest) it's only possible as fanfic or as
> > manipulated story. (Like Neil Gaiman's "The problem of Susan").
> What's the address for the Narnian Estate?


Here is The C.S. Lewis Company's

The C.S. Lewis Co. Ltd.
First Floor
Unit 4, Old Generator House
Bourne Valley Road
Poole
Dorset
BH12 1DZ
United Kingdom


Personally I think the logical thing to do is just put an end to all
this foolishness once and for all, and inoculate the Chronicles by
publishing an official "Tale After Narnia". I am not saying allow it
to be published, I am saying, endorse it! Here it is, all you people
who do not think that such a book can be any good, don't have to read
it. But for the rest of you, this is it.
Fanfic, manipulated story, or whatever, becomes redundant or Silly at
that point, as would any attempt to publish such stories in the future,

legal or no.
And thus it would be safe from both without and from
within. For who is to say who will follow Douglas Gresham (may he live
for ever) as custodian of the trust? We can hope that it will be a man
of integrity, who loves and cherishes truth, beauty and goodness. But
it could be someone who loves gold more than art and would sell the
rights to such story to any trashy hack for a few quid. So let it be
preserved now, for all generations while there reigns still in Cair
Paravel one who knew the Prophesier himself.
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You are quoting me as having said "Why not just call these new books
something else, not billed as anything to do with Narnia".

I did NOT ever write that, nor did I ever mean anything like that.

> > > Wouldn't his heirs have the authority to sanction such stories?
> > Legally, yes. Artistically? The way I see it, no.
> An attitude I find amusing in no small part because, during the VAST
> majority of recorded history, reworking, retelling, and expanding old
> stories has been a completely accepted and commonly practiced part of
> the literary arts.

Indeed, that's why I find fanfiction to have roots going *way* back.
Such reworking of established tales tended to take place without the
"sanction" of heirs.

But that's a different proposition than the one you're making. Instead
of giving a story to the whole world who reworks it as it will ( or
after it has entered public domain until a new creator arises with
talent enough to make it his version famous enough to enter the public
mainstream) -- you instead handpick a writer to produce books that are
supposed to enjoy "sanction" for the mere fact that somebody's
descendant thought they should.

Whole different class of thing.

-Aris Katsaris
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> I'm just not particularly convinced that the world is really a better
> place if Mallory or White or Bradley don't write their retellings of
> the King Arthur legends.

I'm convinced it would be a worse one, which makes my very
point actually. Which heirs did these people ever seek "sanction"
for their books from?

-Aris Katsaris
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>Can someone explain to me in what way is a sequel by someone
>other than the original author anything other than a piece of
>fanfiction?

Try Tell that to Warsies (Star Wars fans) - they actually believe that
books written by different authors and long since sequeling not
original books, but each other are as Star Wars as the movies...
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> Try Tell that to Warsies (Star Wars fans) - they actually believe that
> books written by different authors and long since sequeling not
> original books, but each other are as Star Wars as the movies...

Not exactly an identical situation, because George Lucas is alive,
and I suppose he still could exert some control over what got written
and what did not.

-Aris Katsaris
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"SS13" <sagron DeleteThis @freenet.de> writes:

> >Can someone explain to me in what way is a sequel by someone
> >other than the original author anything other than a piece of
> >fanfiction?
>
> Try Tell that to Warsies (Star Wars fans) - they actually believe that
> books written by different authors and long since sequeling not
> original books, but each other are as Star Wars as the movies...

Can someone explain to me in what way are the Star Wars movies
anything other than a piece of fanfiction?

--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o
The RockBear. ((^))
I speak only 0}._.{0
for myself. O/ \O
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Sea Wasp <seawaspobvious DeleteThis @obvioussgeinc.com> wrote in
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> justin DeleteThis @thealexandrian.net wrote:
>> SS13 wrote:
>>
>>>>Can someone explain to me in what way is a sequel by someone
>>>>other than the original author anything other than a piece of
>>>>fanfiction?
>>>
>>>Try Tell that to Warsies (Star Wars fans) - they actually believe
>>>that books written by different authors and long since sequeling not
>>>original books, but each other are as Star Wars as the movies...
>>
>>
>> Who are these fans?
>
> Well, clearly even the worst Kevin J. Anderson would be better
> than,
> say, Phantom Menace.

Yes, but arguably, having advanced leprosy cause your gentials to fall off
is better than Phantom Menace.

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"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
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In article <1147444247.100596.170790.TakeThisOut@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
justin.TakeThisOut@thealexandrian.net wrote:

> The tie-in products are officially sanctioned parts
> of the Star Wars "canon", but LucasFilms has drawn a distinction
> between the "primary canon" of the films, the "secondary canon" of the
> other official media (Clone Wars animated series; Ewok adventures;
> etc.); and the "tertiary canon" of everything else (novels, computer
> games, comic books, etc.). And I'm unaware of any fans who feel that
> the tertiary material should be put on the same level as the primary.

Where does the Star Wars Holiday Special fit into this scheme?

Sean Case
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