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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:45:17 -0000, dicconf.TakeThisOut@radix.net (Richard Eney)
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>In article <47a3b624.2016647109.TakeThisOut@news-server.optonline.net>,
>Urquharts <lochfyne.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote:
>>Just come across this book on amazon.co.uk.
>>
>>I assume this is the book for 2008.
>>
>>Any details from der Meister?
>
>The word is that it is a non-Discworld YA book, even
>though it could have been made to fit the Disc.
>It apparently involves someone setting up their own
>country on a bit of unclaimed land, or something
>like that. It sounds like fun.

Thanks. I've pre-ordered my copy already.

Regards

Doug Urquhart
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"Richard Eney" <dicconf RemoveThis @radix.net> wrote in message
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> The word is that it is a non-Discworld YA book,

YA?

Never assume we know what you mean, please?
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Raymond Daley wrote:
> "Richard Eney" <dicconf DeleteThis @radix.net> wrote in message
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>> The word is that it is a non-Discworld YA book,
>
> YA?
>
> Never assume we know what you mean, please?

Young Adult.

Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.

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In article <60kl6kF1r2rfhU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
"Orjan Westin" <nospam RemoveThis @cunobaros.com> wrote:

> Raymond Daley wrote:
> > "Richard Eney" <dicconf RemoveThis @radix.net> wrote in message
> > news:13q84bt69ebl7da@corp.supernews.com...
> >> The word is that it is a non-Discworld YA book,
> >
> > YA?
> >
> > Never assume we know what you mean, please?
>
> Young Adult.
>
> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.
>
Those are for *young* adults?

<sigh> I hope, then, that 65 is not yet old.

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Christopher Henrich wrote:
> <sigh> I hope, then, that 65 is not yet old.

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional ;o)
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"Orjan Westin" <nospam.RemoveThis@cunobaros.com> wrote in message
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> Young Adult.
> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.

Funny, I thought they were childrens books. Especially the Johnny series.
I guess they did that so as to avoid labelling them as such?
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:26:15 GMT, "Raymond Daley"
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>
>"Orjan Westin" <nospam.DeleteThis@cunobaros.com> wrote in message
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>> Young Adult.
>> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.
>
>Funny, I thought they were childrens books. Especially the Johnny series.
>I guess they did that so as to avoid labelling them as such?
>
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Raymond Daley wrote:
> "Orjan Westin" <nospam RemoveThis @cunobaros.com> wrote in message
> news:60kl6kF1r2rfhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Young Adult.
>> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.
>
> Funny, I thought they were childrens books. Especially the Johnny series.
> I guess they did that so as to avoid labelling them as such?

In the jargon, children's books would mean books aimed as sub-11
(primary rather than secondary schooling), quite possibly down to 5.
While they are aimed below adult, Terry's Young Adult books would
probably not be accessible to those significantly below secondary school
age.
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Christopher Henrich wrote:
> In article <60kl6kF1r2rfhU1.RemoveThis@mid.individual.net>,
> "Orjan Westin" <nospam.RemoveThis@cunobaros.com> wrote:
>
>> Raymond Daley wrote:
>>> "Richard Eney" <dicconf.RemoveThis@radix.net> wrote in message
>>> news:13q84bt69ebl7da@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> The word is that it is a non-Discworld YA book,
>>> YA?
>>>
>>> Never assume we know what you mean, please?
>> Young Adult.
>>
>> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.
>>
> Those are for *young* adults?
>
> <sigh> I hope, then, that 65 is not yet old.
>
Late youth, at the most, I assure you :->

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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"Alec Cawley" <news.DeleteThis@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "Orjan Westin" <nospam.DeleteThis@cunobaros.com> wrote in message
>> news:60kl6kF1r2rfhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Young Adult.
>>> Like the Johnny books, or the Tiffany books.
>>
>> Funny, I thought they were childrens books. Especially the Johnny series.
>> I guess they did that so as to avoid labelling them as such?
>
> In the jargon, children's books would mean books aimed as sub-11 (primary
> rather than secondary schooling), quite possibly down to 5. While they are
> aimed below adult, Terry's Young Adult books would probably not be
> accessible to those significantly below secondary school age.

I guess I must be a bit old fashioned then. You go from child to adult.
Didn't Rick Mayall or Ben Elton invent the term "Young Adult" in the 1980's?
Check The Young Ones episode "Demolition" where Rik is watching "Nozin'
Around", the term applies to people aged 16-18.
Or it did then anyway.
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On 03 Feb 2008, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
> "Alec Cawley" <news.RemoveThis@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In the jargon, children's books would mean books aimed as sub-11
>> (primary rather than secondary schooling), quite possibly down to 5.
>> While they are aimed below adult, Terry's Young Adult books would
>> probably not be accessible to those significantly below secondary
>> school age.
>
> I guess I must be a bit old fashioned then. You go from child to
> adult. Didn't Rick Mayall or Ben Elton invent the term "Young Adult"
> in the 1980's? Check The Young Ones episode "Demolition" where Rik is
> watching "Nozin' Around", the term applies to people aged 16-18.
> Or it did then anyway.

The Wikipedia page for "young adult" is a disambig page, distinguishing
between "young adult (psychology)" which is 19-40[1] and "young adult
fiction" which is aimed at 12-18. Apparently these contradictory uses of
the term have both been around since the 1950s.

Outside the world of publishing, the term for what publishers call a
"young adult" is, of course, "adolescent". Or "teenager"[3].

Anyway, speaking as a thirty something, I'm more likely to read a
"children's novel" (which is probably going to be funny, fast-paced, and
quite likely involve the fantastic) than a "YA novel" (which is probably
going to be about a kid on a sink estate whose mum dies). I consider the
Tiffany books "children's novels". The Johnny books edge towards YA
territory, but thankfully are nowhere near depressing enough to win a
major award for teenage fiction.

(Yes, I'm aware this is a huge, sweeping and probably unfair
generalisation. That's what people get for labelling things in the first
place .)

[1] Yippee, I'm young for another eight years!

[2]What I think of as the "Puffin Plus" agegroup, although I'm not sure
the Puffin Plus imprint exists any more.

[3]Come to think of it, what's wrong with the term "teen fiction"?

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On 03 Feb 2008, Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:

Whoops!

> The Wikipedia page for "young adult" is a disambig page,
> distinguishing between "young adult (psychology)" which is 19-40[1]
> and "young adult fiction" which is aimed at 12-18.

The mark for the following footnote should be at the end of that sentence.

> [2]What I think of as the "Puffin Plus" agegroup, although I'm not
> sure the Puffin Plus imprint exists any more.

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On 3 Feb 2008 18:29:49 GMT, in alt.books.pratchett
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in
<Xns9A39BC30B1230daibhidchenedelhaolc.RemoveThis@130.133.1.4>:
>On 03 Feb 2008, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alec Cawley" <news.RemoveThis@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:60m7pkF1reiviU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> In the jargon, children's books would mean books aimed as sub-11
>>> (primary rather than secondary schooling), quite possibly down to 5.
>>> While they are aimed below adult, Terry's Young Adult books would
>>> probably not be accessible to those significantly below secondary
>>> school age.
>>
>> I guess I must be a bit old fashioned then. You go from child to
>> adult. Didn't Rick Mayall or Ben Elton invent the term "Young Adult"
>> in the 1980's? Check The Young Ones episode "Demolition" where Rik is
>> watching "Nozin' Around", the term applies to people aged 16-18.
>> Or it did then anyway.
>
>The Wikipedia page for "young adult" is a disambig page, distinguishing
>between "young adult (psychology)" which is 19-40[1] and "young adult
>fiction" which is aimed at 12-18. Apparently these contradictory uses of
>the term have both been around since the 1950s.
>
>Outside the world of publishing, the term for what publishers call a
>"young adult" is, of course, "adolescent". Or "teenager"[3].
>
>Anyway, speaking as a thirty something, I'm more likely to read a
>"children's novel" (which is probably going to be funny, fast-paced, and
>quite likely involve the fantastic) than a "YA novel" (which is probably
>going to be about a kid on a sink estate whose mum dies). I consider the
>Tiffany books "children's novels". The Johnny books edge towards YA
>territory, but thankfully are nowhere near depressing enough to win a
>major award for teenage fiction.
>
>(Yes, I'm aware this is a huge, sweeping and probably unfair
>generalisation. That's what people get for labelling things in the first
>place .)
>
>[1] Yippee, I'm young for another eight years!
>
>[2]What I think of as the "Puffin Plus" agegroup, although I'm not sure
>the Puffin Plus imprint exists any more.
>
>[3]Come to think of it, what's wrong with the term "teen fiction"?

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