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(Msg. 61) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:47 am
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > Ilya2 wrote:
> >>> Re "prejudiced against artificial organs" - um, why? You prefer being dead?
> >> Some people may have just an irrational phobia against metal parts
> >> inside them. I think it is very rare though.
> >
> > Come to think, anti-cyborg prejudice appears from time to time in sci-
> > fi.
> >
> > And remember the mockery a couple of years back when Fidel Castro was
> > reported to have become the owner of an artificial anus.
>
> There's no smiley, and I'm not familiar with this particular
> announcement and any subsequent commentary on it, but I'd bet pretty
> heavily that the mockery you're referring to had essentially nothing at
> all to do with "anti-cyborg prejudice," but rather an opportunity for
> some easy jokes aimed at Castro.
Uh, mostly, I guess. At least he wasn't portrayed as a terrifying
invincible cyborg socialist.
The last I noticed, official information about Fidel's anus and his
health in general was declared a state secret, which, honestly, to me
just looks like natural politeness.
It was on _The Daily Show_ as an alleged, um, leak.
You pretty much have to put Castro in; if you just google "artificial
anus", he does show up amongst the other results, but, oh my.
Apparently, colostomy and using your own body material for
reconstruction are techniques that also may be described using the
words "artificial anus" as part of the story. But the story was or is
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:13 am
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:11:00 -0700, TB wrote:
> On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, David Mitchell
>> Now, I'd have one within a month, would any of you?
>
> Can I make love in that body?
Yup, it's superior in every respect to your original one, and contains
your gonads, so you can even breed, ultimately.
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:16 am
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:39:44 -0700, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> Erik Max Francis wrote:
>> David Mitchell wrote:
>> > I was wondering about early adopter cyborgs the other day (with
>> > reference to a scenario in a bad novel wot I wrote), and this seems
>> > an opportune time to ask, so:
>> >
>> > If a well-respected company announced, tomorrow, that they had
>> > developed a process and hardware which would move your brain and
>> > gonads to an artificial body, would you take up the offer?
>> >
>> > Assume it's legal, that the body is superior in every way to basic
>> > human (four times stronger, faster, with better senses), gains energy
>> > from eating almost anything organic, (or via sunlight, or the mains),
>> > costs one weeks salary (the owner of a company wants as many people
>> > to "Upgrade" as possible for philosophical reasons).
>> >
>> > Obviously, the body can self-repair, and comes with a built in AI and
>> > a fully immersive VR world which you can share with any other cyborg.
>> >
>> > It's also made of something like utility fog, and so can assume
>> > almost any shape and appearance.
>> >
>> > Now, I'd have one within a month, would any of you?
>>
>> Definitely not. Even if the rewards were appealing, I'd want to wait
>> plenty of time to make sure there were no unintended side effects.
>> Especially for something that unprecedented.
>>
>> Not to mention the exact details of what the "transfer" process would
>> be. It's hard to see hwo with any reasonable physics and engineering
>> it would be anything but a transfer, but more like a copy. The old
>> non-cyborg me would be still be around, and presumably need to be
>> disposed of.
>
> I assume that deep-freezing and then grinding up really, really small is
> the /start/ of the conversion process.
Not freezing - but certainly dissection by utility fog which can move
quickly and flexibly enough to handle any involuntary movement your
anaesthetised body might make. Your blood has already been replaced by
this point,and your heart stopped.
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:17 am
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:00:20 -0700, Erik Max Francis wrote:
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> Not to mention the exact details of what the "transfer" process would
> be. It's hard to see hwo with any reasonable physics and engineering it
> would be anything but a transfer, but more like a copy. The old
> non-cyborg me would be still be around, and presumably need to be
> disposed of.
As I mentioned, your brain and gonads are moved to your new body, so no
copying required.
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:08 pm
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"David Mitchell" wrote in message
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:42:05 -0700, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
>> Ilya2 wrote:
>>> > Re "prejudiced against artificial organs" - um, why? You prefer
>>> > being dead?
>>>
>>> Some people may have just an irrational phobia against metal parts
>>> inside them. I think it is very rare though.
>>
>> Come to think, anti-cyborg prejudice appears from time to time in sci-
>> fi.
>>
>> And remember the mockery a couple of years back when Fidel Castro was
>> reported to have become the owner of an artificial anus.
>
> I was wondering about early adopter cyborgs the other day (with reference
> to a scenario in a bad novel wot I wrote), and this seems an opportune
> time to ask, so:
>
> If a well-respected company announced, tomorrow, that they had developed
> a process and hardware which would move your brain and gonads to an
> artificial body, would you take up the offer?
>
> Assume it's legal, that the body is superior in every way to basic human
> (four times stronger, faster, with better senses), gains energy from
> eating almost anything organic, (or via sunlight, or the mains), costs
> one weeks salary (the owner of a company wants as many people to
> "Upgrade" as possible for philosophical reasons).
>
> Obviously, the body can self-repair, and comes with a built in AI and a
> fully immersive VR world which you can share with any other cyborg.
>
> It's also made of something like utility fog, and so can assume almost
> any shape and appearance.
>
> Now, I'd have one within a month, would any of you?
>
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> = Mitchell --- viruses, so please don't add me to your address book.
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:56 pm
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In alt.books.larry-niven Eef Hartman wrote:
> In alt.books.larry-niven Joel Olson wrote:
>> And then there is the one about the prison planet where all
>> the inmates lay around growing extra limbs. Something
>> (insectoid or birdlike) comes by and injects a bud; they spend
>> most of their time doped up. Eventually the limbs are harvested
>> and the cycle repeats.
>
> That's from Cordwainer Smith, I forgot exactly which story.
A Planet Named Shayol, that's the story I meant.
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:09 pm
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On Oct 24, 1:18 am, David Mitchell
wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:42:05 -0700, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > Ilya2 wrote:
> >> > Re "prejudiced against artificial organs" - um, why? You prefer
> >> > being dead?
>
> >> Some people may have just an irrational phobia against metal parts
> >> inside them. I think it is very rare though.
>
> > Come to think, anti-cyborg prejudice appears from time to time in sci-
> > fi.
>
> > And remember the mockery a couple of years back when Fidel Castro was
> > reported to have become the owner of an artificial anus.
>
> I was wondering about early adopter cyborgs the other day (with reference
> to a scenario in a bad novel wot I wrote), and this seems an opportune
> time to ask, so:
>
> If a well-respected company announced, tomorrow, that they had developed
> a process and hardware which would move your brain and gonads to an
> artificial body, would you take up the offer?
>
> Assume it's legal, that the body is superior in every way to basic human
> (four times stronger, faster, with better senses), gains energy from
> eating almost anything organic, (or via sunlight, or the mains), costs
> one weeks salary (the owner of a company wants as many people to
> "Upgrade" as possible for philosophical reasons).
>
> Obviously, the body can self-repair, and comes with a built in AI and a
> fully immersive VR world which you can share with any other cyborg.
>
> It's also made of something like utility fog, and so can assume almost
> any shape and appearance.
>
> Now, I'd have one within a month, would any of you?
It is clearly an invasion by the Cybermen and I'd have already joined
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:47 pm
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Robert Carnegie wrote in
> Erik Max Francis wrote:
>> David Mitchell wrote:
>> > I was wondering about early adopter cyborgs the other day (with
>> > reference to a scenario in a bad novel wot I wrote), and this seems
>> > an opportune time to ask, so:
>> >
>> > If a well-respected company announced, tomorrow, that they had
>> > developed a process and hardware which would move your brain and
>> > gonads to an artificial body, would you take up the offer?
>> >
>> > Assume it's legal, that the body is superior in every way to basic
>> > human (four times stronger, faster, with better senses), gains
>> > energy from eating almost anything organic, (or via sunlight, or
>> > the mains), costs one weeks salary (the owner of a company wants as
>> > many people to "Upgrade" as possible for philosophical reasons).
>> >
>> > Obviously, the body can self-repair, and comes with a built in AI
>> > and a fully immersive VR world which you can share with any other
>> > cyborg.
>> >
>> > It's also made of something like utility fog, and so can assume
>> > almost any shape and appearance.
>> >
>> > Now, I'd have one within a month, would any of you?
>>
>> Definitely not. Even if the rewards were appealing, I'd want to wait
>> plenty of time to make sure there were no unintended side effects.
>> Especially for something that unprecedented.
>>
>> Not to mention the exact details of what the "transfer" process would
>> be. It's hard to see hwo with any reasonable physics and engineering
>> it would be anything but a transfer, but more like a copy. The old
>> non-cyborg me would be still be around, and presumably need to be
>> disposed of.
>
> I assume that deep-freezing and then grinding up really, really small
> is the /start/ of the conversion process.
>
> Somewhere in Warren Ellis's TRANSMETROPOLITAN - the second collection,
> of nine barely connected stories, I think - we're shown somebody
> getting converted to utility fog (by choice). It doesn't seem to be
> difficult or expensive, so I figure there must be catches or everybody
> would have already done it.
There Will be Dragons by John Ringo had something like this as an
optional "upgrade" that one could take. This went rather poorly for the
girl that had upgraded, when the power that was running the utility fog
was diverted to deal with a sort of a civil war...
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:47 pm
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:19:49 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie wrote:
> TB wrote:
>> I am imagining Glen Beck appearing in infomercials singing the
>> praises of artificial body parts.
>
> That is my fault.
>
>> What would he say in his sales
>> pitch?
>
> Oh, golly. Hitler didn't have any?
>
> The Beck-model liver brings a new meaning to the words "zero
> tolerance" for alcohol?
>
> Artificial limbs include patented stop-masturbation technology?
you mean with included razors on the hands?
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:52 am
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:09:46 -0700, trag wrote:
> It is clearly an invasion by the Cybermen and I'd have already joined
> the resistance.
I, for one, welcome our clumsy cyborg overlords.
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