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Sean_Q_

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:08 pm
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In article "Re: Quote from del Toro...." Mr. Finsky wrote:

> If you question whether PJ ever read the books, you have proved that
> you are a ten times bigger moron than those of us who quietly accept
> that the movie respects the source and actually improves on a few
> failings in the trilogy.

So thou art the spokesman, representing a substantial community of
like-minded people sharing a certain orthodoxy of thought, whilst I am
a feeble-minded unappreciative malcontented social isolate.

Does anyone recall the Solidarity Service in _Brave New World_, where
everyone awaits the Greater Being? Well substitute "Peter Jackson"
for "Henry Ford" in the following and I feel just like Bernard,
except that I've never feigned enthusiasm for PJ:

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The President reached out his hand; and suddenly a Voice, a deep
strong Voice, more musical than any merely human voice, richer,
warmer, more vibrant with love and yearning and compassion,
a wonderful, mysterious, supernatural Voice spoke from above their
heads. Very slowly, "Oh, Ford, Ford, Ford," it said diminishingly
and on a descending scale. A sensation of warmth radiated
thrillingly out from the solar plexus to every extremity of the
bodies of those who listened; tears came into their eyes; their
hearts, their bowels seemed to move within them, as though with
an independent life. "Ford!" they were melting, "Ford!" dissolved,
dissolved. Then, in another tone, suddenly, startlingly.

"Listen!" trumpeted the voice. "Listen!" They listened. After a pause,
sunk to a whisper, but a whisper, somehow, more penetrating than
the loudest cry. "The feet of the Greater Being," it went on,
and repeated the words: "The feet of the Greater Being."
The whisper almost expired. "The feet of the Greater Being
are on the stairs." And once more there was silence;
and the expectancy, momentarily relaxed, was stretched
again, tauter, tauter, almost to the tearing point. The feet
of the Greater Being –- oh, they heard them, they heard them,
coming softly down the stairs, coming nearer and nearer down
the invisible stairs. The feet of the Greater Being. And suddenly
the tearing point was reached. Her eyes staring, her lips parted.
Morgana Rothschild sprang to her feet.

"I hear him," she cried. "I hear him."

"He's coming," shouted Sarojini Engels.

"Yes, he's coming, I hear him." Fifi Bradlaugh and Tom Kawaguchi rose
simultaneously to their feet.

"Oh, oh, oh!" Joanna inarticulately testified.

"He's coming!" yelled Jim Bokanovsky.

The President leaned forward and, with a touch, released a delirium of
cymbals and blown brass, a fever of tom-tomming.

"Oh, he's coming!" screamed Clara Deterding. "Aie!" and it was as though
she were having her throat cut.

Feeling that it was time for him to do something, Bernard also jumped up
and shouted: "I hear him; He's coming." But it wasn't true. He heard
nothing and, for him, nobody was coming. Nobody –- in spite of
the music, in spite of the mounting excitement.
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Isn't it amazing? That Voice sounds like Saruman.

> Also, remember that one of Tolkien's messages is to understand and
> sympathize with those who are different from you.

Calling me a moron is inconsistent with the above.

SQ

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:59 am
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On Jul 31, 4:08 pm, Sean_Q_ <nos... RemoveThis @no.sapm> wrote:
> In article "Re: Quote from del Toro...." Mr. Finsky wrote:
>
>  > If you question whether PJ ever read the books, you have proved that
>  > you are a ten times bigger moron than those of us who quietly accept
>  > that the movie respects the source and actually improves on a few
>  > failings in the trilogy.

I don't know where the quoted article came from, but
it would be interesting to know what Mr. Finsky thought
PJ improved upon. I can't think of anything, but I can
think of many things that PJ failed to treat adequately.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:28 pm
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calvin wrote:

> I don't know where the quoted article came from

alt.fan.tolkien, article "Quote from del Toro...."

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:08 pm
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:08:29 GMT, Sean_Q_ <nospam.TakeThisOut@no.sapm> wrote the
following in rec.arts.books.tolkien:

> In article "Re: Quote from del Toro...." Mr. Finsky wrote:
>
> > If you question whether PJ ever read the books, you have proved that
> > you are a ten times bigger moron than those of us who quietly accept
> > that the movie respects the source and actually improves on a few
> > failings in the trilogy.
>
> So thou art the spokesman, representing a substantial community of
> like-minded people sharing a certain orthodoxy of thought, whilst I am
> a feeble-minded unappreciative malcontented social isolate.
>
An intelligent debator would have simply said "I don't like the changes."
or even, if they have ENOUGH intelligence to back it up says "Here's why I
don't like the changes." A moron says "Anyone who makes these changes can't
possibly have read the book."

--
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain je-ne-sais-quoi."
Peter Schickele
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:08 pm
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Weird Beard wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:08:29 GMT, Sean_Q_ <nospam.TakeThisOut@no.sapm> wrote the
> following in rec.arts.books.tolkien:
>
>> In article "Re: Quote from del Toro...." Mr. Finsky wrote:
>>
>> > If you question whether PJ ever read the books, you have proved that
>> > you are a ten times bigger moron than those of us who quietly accept
>> > that the movie respects the source and actually improves on a few
>> > failings in the trilogy.
>>
>> So thou art the spokesman, representing a substantial community of
>> like-minded people sharing a certain orthodoxy of thought, whilst I am
>> a feeble-minded unappreciative malcontented social isolate.
>>
> An intelligent debator would have simply said "I don't like the changes."
> or even, if they have ENOUGH intelligence to back it up says "Here's why I
> don't like the changes." A moron says "Anyone who makes these changes
> can't possibly have read the book."

Any reasonably intelligent debater (debator strikes me as a rather Freudian
spelling) might have looked at archives and seen that Sean has actually
done so before - and that Sean is really hard-pressed to ever be serious on
this group, anyway. Johnny-come-latelies telling us how stupid our regular
posters are have pretty much blown their credibility from the start (now,
me, I've worked hard for _years_ to blow my credibility).
--
derek
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