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bridegam

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:34 pm
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Here's a creepy Microsoft project:
"... The system would allow managers to monitor employees' performance
by measuring their heart rate, body temperature, movement, facial
expression and blood pressure. Unions said they fear that employees
could be dismissed on the basis of a computer's assessment of their
physiological state."
http://slashdot.org/articles/08/01/16/1427242.shtml
("...He had set his features into the expression of quiet optimism which
it was advisable to wear when facing the telescreen...")

Here's a less intrusive but still mildly creepy plan for the SF Bay Area
subway:
"...will allow officers to better zoom in on suspicious people and items..."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/30/MNEOT2R0D.DTL

Here's a funny/sad surveillance-as-art project:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/11/AR2007...102030.

Not much public comment on the above, but evidently they'll pry
Californians' thermostats from their pleasantly warmed or chilled dead
hands...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/16/BARNUGIKF.DTL


Rgds/M

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:59 am
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Martha Bridegam wrote...
> Here's a creepy Microsoft project:
> "... The system would allow managers to monitor employees' performance
> by measuring their heart rate, body temperature, movement, facial
> expression and blood pressure. Unions said they fear that employees
> could be dismissed on the basis of a computer's assessment of their
> physiological state."

The technology can also monitor psychological states, and recent advances
in MRI imaging give scientists the power to detect specific types of
thoughts by measuring neural activity in different regions of the brain.
There is no reason to believe such monitoring can't be done remotely in
the near future, so that governments, employers, spies, and saboteurs
will have the ability to remotely identify an individual through a
biometrics database, identify his physiological state - including which
drugs he might be taking, and even get a pretty good idea what he is
thinking about. Orwell foresaw it all:

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"The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth
and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought.
There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to
solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being
is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people
in a few seconds without giving warning beforehand. In so far as
scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter."
-- 1984
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Day Brown

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:18 pm
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dank wrote:
> Martha Bridegam wrote...
> > Here's a creepy Microsoft project:
> > "... The system would allow managers to monitor employees' performance
> > by measuring their heart rate, body temperature, movement, facial
> > expression and blood pressure. Unions said they fear that employees
> > could be dismissed on the basis of a computer's assessment of their
> > physiological state."
>
> The technology can also monitor psychological states, and recent advances
> in MRI imaging give scientists the power to detect specific types of
> thoughts by measuring neural activity in different regions of the brain.
> There is no reason to believe such monitoring can't be done remotely in
> the near future, so that governments, employers, spies, and saboteurs
> will have the ability to remotely identify an individual through a
> biometrics database, identify his physiological state - including which
> drugs he might be taking, and even get a pretty good idea what he is
> thinking about. Orwell foresaw it all:
Ya, but that's not Big Brother. Its Ma Bell.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:00 am
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Day Brown <daybrown DeleteThis @hughes.net> writes:

> Ya, but that's not Big Brother. Its Ma Bell.

Now Lenny, he was our inside man,
An R&D tech at Ma Bell.
He had access to codes and computer net links
And hints of new products as well.

And he told us, "They've made a new breakthrough
On a miniaturized personal phone.
The bandwidth's been squeezed and the lines megaplexed
Till we each could have one of our own.
And the unit's so small, it could fit in your ear
Or be surgically placed in your head."
Said I, "I'd remove it to go on vacation!"
"That would be illegal!" he said.
-- Mike Agranoff, "The Ballad of Captain Crunch" (1988)
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--- Joe Fineman joe_f DeleteThis @verizon.net

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:17 pm
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Joe Fineman wrote:
> Day Brown <daybrown RemoveThis @hughes.net> writes:
>
>> Ya, but that's not Big Brother. Its Ma Bell.
>
> Now Lenny, he was our inside man,
> An R&D tech at Ma Bell.
> He had access to codes and computer net links
> And hints of new products as well.
>
> And he told us, "They've made a new breakthrough
> On a miniaturized personal phone.
> The bandwidth's been squeezed and the lines megaplexed
> Till we each could have one of our own.
> And the unit's so small, it could fit in your ear
> Or be surgically placed in your head."
> Said I, "I'd remove it to go on vacation!"
> "That would be illegal!" he said.
> -- Mike Agranoff, "The Ballad of Captain Crunch" (1988)


LOL, thx for lightening the mood too.

/M
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:49 pm
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On 18 Jan, 21:17, Martha Bridegam <bride....TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Joe Fineman wrote:
> > Day Brown <daybr....TakeThisOut@hughes.net> writes:
>
> >> Ya, but that's not Big Brother. Its Ma Bell.
>
> > Now Lenny, he was our inside man,
> > An R&D tech at Ma Bell.
> > He had access to codes and computer net links
> > And hints of new products as well.
>
> > And he told us, "They've made a new breakthrough
> > On a miniaturized personal phone.
> > The bandwidth's been squeezed and the lines megaplexed
> > Till we each could have one of our own.
> > And the unit's so small, it could fit in your ear
> > Or be surgically placed in your head."
> > Said I, "I'd remove it to go on vacation!"
> > "That would be illegal!" he said.
> >                -- Mike Agranoff, "The Ballad of Captain Crunch" (1988)
>
> LOL, thx for lightening the mood too.
>
> /M- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I laughed when I read it. Between management incompetence, union
complaint and good old fashioned litigation, this idea won't take off.

As for you other moans, in England 'Social Democrats' have long worked
to remove power from policemen and in tandem with this project have
unpicked morality for the masses. The result is a great deal of crime
and disorder and an emasculated police force, busy upholding the new
culturally marxist agenda of the Social Democrats (people owning
golliwogs are more danger of a police visit than sociopaths). These
Social Democrats seem to have decided that cameras everywhere, from
bus to bar to road to toilet, is the only solution.
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