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tsbrueni

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:45 am
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Great moments: The Telemarines sending up fireworks to celebrate the
birth of Regent Miraz's son.

The Telemarines using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telemarines hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?

I admire the Telemarine forces' great organization (neat groups of
troops holding bayonets, lots of troops on horseback). They were much
better organized than the White Witch's army!

The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
restore the Mouse Leader's tail.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:07 am
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On 3 jun, 04:37, Tim Bruening <tsbru... DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> The Narnians showing Peter et al the Stone Table, now in a cave! How
> did it get in a cave?
>

At some point after the Pevensie children left Narnia, a structure was
actually built over the former site of the stone table. It is called
"Aslan's How" (a synonym for "barrow" or "tumulus"), see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan%27s_How


> Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
> appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
> blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
> Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
> (rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
> between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
> movie?
>

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.


> The duel between Peter and Miraz, ending with Miraz injured but Peter
> and Caspian both refusing to finish him. However, a Telmarians officer
> shoots Miraz with an arrow, killing him.
>
> I admire the Telmarian forces' great organization (neat groups of
> troops holding bayonets, lots of troops on horseback). They were much
> better organized than the White Witch's army!
>
> During the final battle, the Narnians collapsing some caverns to trap
> some Telmarians in a pit.
>
> The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
> Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
>
> The Telmarians using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
> Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telmarians hurl fireworks at
> Caspian's troops?
>
> Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?
>
> A downed Griffin plowing along the ground.
>
> Aslan and Lucy awakening the trees, which then uproot themselves and
> wade into battle.
>
> The river god destroying a bridge.
>
> The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
> chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
> Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
> restore the Mouse Leader's tail.
>
> Aslan opening up a door in a tree for Telmarians to walk through to
> reach the island their ancestors came from, and for Peter, Susan,
> Edmund, and Lucy to walk through to return to Earth.
>
> Susan hugging and kissing King Caspian before leaving.
>
> Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:34 pm
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On Jun 3, 4:56 pm, ur... DeleteThis @panix.com (Michael Urban) wrote:
> In article <4844E68F.A28F9... DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
>
>
>
> >Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!
>
> It's also the last line of the book.  Not to be changed.
>
> Though the adaptation was, um, very free at times, there were some
> nice bits from the book kept intact.  During Peter's duel, one of
> his seconds is a bear who cannot help sucking his paw nervously in
> the background.  Right from the book, a lovely touch.  The whole
> dialogue between Aslan, Reepicheep, and his followers is pretty
> much straight from the book as well.

That bear was great, too bad there wasn't some more of him, he was
voiced y the great British comic/actor David Walliams.


I enjoyed this film even more than the first one. Very good stuff,
although its BO already seems to have died up and I don't think its
going to come near what the first one made.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:24 am
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Mbruno wrote:

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> > Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
> > appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
> > blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
> > Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
> > (rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
> > between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
> > movie?
> >
>
> The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
> If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
> and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
> Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
> Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
> then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
> the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:53 am
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Tim Bruening wrote:

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> Mbruno wrote:
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>>>Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
>>>appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
>>>blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
>>>Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
>>>(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
>>>between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
>>>movie?
>>>
>>
>>The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
>>If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
>>and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
>>Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
>>Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
>>then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
>>the movie.
>
> That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
> the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--
In fact, she didn't even *appear* in the book (the characters didn't
quite get that far before the fight broke out), and giving Tilda Swinton
some more Smug/Seductive Villain Trash-Talk in the script to get some
use out of her contractual cameo--and Edmund one more Redemptive Payback
Moment--was the particular brainstorm of...yyyyep, You Know Who:

Adamson had been given official "Rehabilitate the book" duties, and he
was determined to pilot that ship through the gales... -_-

Derek Janssen
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:53 am
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Derek Janssen wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > Mbruno wrote:
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> >>>Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
> >>>appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
> >>>blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
> >>>Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
> >>>(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
> >>>between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
> >>>movie?
> >>>
> >>
> >>The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
> >>If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
> >>and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
> >>Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
> >>Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
> >>then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
> >>the movie.
> >
> > That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
> > the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
>
> Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--

It sure looked to me like first Caspian, and then Peter were under some sort of
hypnotic spell! They looked absolutely enthralled by the White Witch!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:53 am
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Derek Janssen wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > Mbruno wrote:
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> >>>Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
> >>>appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
> >>>blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
> >>>Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
> >>>(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
> >>>between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
> >>>movie?
> >>>
> >>
> >>The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
> >>If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
> >>and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
> >>Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
> >>Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
> >>then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
> >>the movie.
> >
> > That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
> > the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
>
> Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--
> In fact, she didn't even *appear* in the book (the characters didn't
> quite get that far before the fight broke out), and giving Tilda Swinton
> some more Smug/Seductive Villain Trash-Talk in the script to get some
> use out of her contractual cameo--and Edmund one more Redemptive Payback
> Moment--was the particular brainstorm of...yyyyep, You Know Who:

Imaginary dialogue: Edmund: This is for denying me Turkish Delight after I got my
siblings to within a few miles of you!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 am
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In article <48464314.ABF3078F DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>
>That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
>the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
>

You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
him to help things along.

Ted
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 am
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"Ted Nolan " wrote:

> In article <48464314.ABF3078F RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
> >the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
> >
>
> You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
> my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
> him to help things along.

Why didn't she hypnotize Peter during their duel at the end of the movie version of
LWW?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 am
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"Ted Nolan " wrote:

> In article <48464314.ABF3078F RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
> >the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
> >
>
> You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
> my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
> him to help things along.

I had the impression that the Turkish Delight was bewitched to warp Edmund's mind.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:12 am
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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>>>>>Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
>>>>>appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
>>>>>blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
>>>>>Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
>>>>>(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
>>>>>between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
>>>>>movie?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
>>>>If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
>>>>and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
>>>>Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
>>>>Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
>>>>then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
>>>>the movie.
>>>
>>>That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
>>>the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
>>
>>Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--
>
>
> It sure looked to me like first Caspian, and then Peter were under some sort of
> hypnotic spell! They looked absolutely enthralled by the White Witch!

Weakness in the face of Supreme Charisma:
Adamson Script Embellishment has Caspian experiencing a crisis of
confidence in his mission [fake!], wondering whether to give into
Nikabrik's whatever-works abandonment of morality [didn't happen!], and
also give into temptation just to acheive his short-range revenge goal
[he made that up!], which the WW, who's still got it, knows only too
well how to exploit. (And ditto for Peter, who's got his own Big
Leadership Crisis.)
Like she had once before with Edmund, who--just in case we
thump-head-McFly *didn't* get the point--also confirms with his Big
Applause Moment.

Was theme and character-development filler *that* desperately needed at
that point in the script?...Who's to say.
But AA was determined to provide it anyway, cover all possible bases,
and leave absolutely no risk to chance. The perils were too great.

Derek Janssen
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:03 am
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and thus Tim Bruening inscribed ...
> "Ted Nolan " wrote:
>> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
>>> the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.
>> You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
>> my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
>> him to help things along.
> Why didn't she hypnotize Peter during their duel at the end of the movie version of
> LWW?

He had the full faith and shield of Aslan on him? The WW mojo couldn't break his faith. But in Prince Caspian, at that time in the movie, they are still very much in doubt and thus vulnerable.
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Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?
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On Jun 9, 11:49 am, Garondo Marondo <Classic.Mr.H....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

I guess these are Telmarine horses (originally
from earth). Narnian horses do talk in at least
one other book.

I had been worried about how they would
present the 'evil' dark-skinned Telmarines,
but I think it came off reasonably well. They
had Spanish(?)-sounding accents, and were
pretty good-looking with attractive costumes,
and the fact that Caspian was a Telmarine was
continually emphasized.

At the end, Miraz's wife (with baby) and one of Miraz's
lords have the courage return to earth (which I think
doesn't quite match the plot from the book).

C.



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On Jun 9, 12:39 pm, laraine <lari....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 11:49 am, Garondo Marondo <Classic.Mr.H....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?
>
> I guess these are Telmarine horses (originally
> from earth). Narnian horses do talk in at least
> one other book.

Okay, thanks!
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