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Geoff Field

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:26 pm
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> Geoff Field wrote:
> <snip>
[further snip]
>> [1] Death even says something like "I don't need maracas."
>
> Perhaps he was thinking of a quijada [1], the jawbone of a donkey? A
> /dead/ donkey.

I would hope so - playing the jawbone of a *live* donkey would be
extremely interesting Wink

> The sound is that of the teeth rattling loose in their
> sockets, now that the periodontal ligaments are gone. So that's why
> Death doesn't need somebody else's jawbone, even if it is called by
> another name, and it's still a funny line.

Yes, it *is* a funny line, which is why it's not worth making a big
deal of it. Although for those of us who know "better" such a slip
can detract from the line's effect.

> [1] Which I thought had another, better-known name, but I can't
> remember it and Google is not my friend.

TBH, I'd never heard of it. Percussion is a broad field and I've
played a lot of different instruments over the decades, but I still
find myself learning.

Learning is good.

Geoff

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:02 am
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Lesley Weston wrote:

>
> Perhaps he was thinking of a quijada [1], the jawbone of a donkey? A
> /dead/ donkey. The sound is that of the teeth rattling loose in their
> sockets, now that the periodontal ligaments are gone. So that's why
> Death doesn't need somebody else's jawbone, even if it is called by
> another name, and it's still a funny line.
>
> [1] Which I thought had another, better-known name, but I can't remember
> it and Google is not my friend.
>

Definition of a philistine - someone being assaulted by the jawbone of
an ass.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:06 pm
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Geoff Field wrote:
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> Geoff Field wrote:
>> <snip>
> [further snip]
>>> [1] Death even says something like "I don't need maracas."
>> Perhaps he was thinking of a quijada [1], the jawbone of a donkey? A
>> /dead/ donkey.
>
> I would hope so - playing the jawbone of a *live* donkey would be
> extremely interesting Wink

Indeed. Donkeys are not known for their tendency to co-operate.

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:07 pm
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Nigel Stapley wrote:
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>
>>
>> Perhaps he was thinking of a quijada [1], the jawbone of a donkey? A
>> /dead/ donkey. The sound is that of the teeth rattling loose in their
>> sockets, now that the periodontal ligaments are gone. So that's why
>> Death doesn't need somebody else's jawbone, even if it is called by
>> another name, and it's still a funny line.
>>
>> [1] Which I thought had another, better-known name, but I can't
>> remember it and Google is not my friend.
>>
>
> Definition of a philistine - someone being assaulted by the jawbone of
> an ass.
>
That fits.

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:17 pm
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Raymond Daley wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> I suppose the valve actuators on a French horn could be called "keys".
>
> no they can't. their valves. theres bloody HUGE difference between valves &
> keys.

I would say that the assembly as a whole is a valve, but the bit you
actually operate is a key. Most keys, in instrument nomenclature, seem
to be a bit you have to press down to operate the instrument. There is a
difference, however, between keys on pianos etc and the finger-operated
bits on brass instruments, in that pressing the keys on a piano makes
the noise, wheres on a brass instrument it only modifies the noise,
which is made elsewhere, at the mouthpiece.
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Alex Bell

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:55 pm
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Alec Cawley wrote:
> Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
>> I suppose the valve actuators on a French horn could be called "keys".
>>
>> no they can't. their valves. theres bloody HUGE difference between
>> valves & keys.
>
> I would say that the assembly as a whole is a valve, but the bit you
> actually operate is a key. Most keys, in instrument nomenclature, seem
> to be a bit you have to press down to operate the instrument. There is a
> difference, however, between keys on pianos etc and the finger-operated
> bits on brass instruments, in that pressing the keys on a piano makes
> the noise, wheres on a brass instrument it only modifies the noise,
> which is made elsewhere, at the mouthpiece.

I'm sorry, I think you'll find that the 'noise'[1] on my teacher's[2]
piano is made when an object hits the strings - quite some way from the
keyboard and connected by an intricate chain of machinery.

A mechanical valve, on the other hand, opens or closes a passage to
permit or stop the flow of a fluid. But on the other other hand the
'keys' on my oboe work by opening or closing holes which in turn governs
the pitch of the note the oboe emits.

So perhaps this whole argument is not worth the breath we've spent on it.

[1] Noise! Noise! I could have lived with sound, but Noise?
[2] I have a digital piano

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:13 am
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On 19 Jul, 00:33, Reader in Invisible Writings
<markfowera....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Geoff Field wrote:
> > [1] Death even says something like "I don't need maracas."
>
> Tis' true - incredibly like it.
>

I thought it was more like "I DON'T NEED MARACAS".

Cheers,
Nigel.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:04 pm
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On Jul 18, 7:56 am, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da....DeleteThis@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> I don't know if anyone's spotted this mistake yet but here goes.
> Terry is normally very good on his research but he well & truly screwed up
> on this one & I'm surprised I didn't spot it before.
>
> Page 239
>
> When Keith is talking to the Rat Piper & they give Keith a trombone to play
> it says he "pressed keys".
> Sorry Terry. A Trombone has NO KEYS! It has a slider. Not even a valve
> trombone has keys.
>
> No brass intrument I'm aware of has "keys", even trumpets & such use valves.
> A trombone has nothing to press, I should know as I learnt to play one when
> I was 10.

You are evidently unaware of the Trombone as inmproved by Bloody
Stupid Johnson...
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Chris Zakes

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:51 am
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT), an orbital mind-control
laser caused Richard Adams <ackthpt.DeleteThis@concentric.net> to write:

>On Jul 18, 7:56 am, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da....DeleteThis@ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>> I don't know if anyone's spotted this mistake yet but here goes.
>> Terry is normally very good on his research but he well & truly screwed up
>> on this one & I'm surprised I didn't spot it before.
>>
>> Page 239
>>
>> When Keith is talking to the Rat Piper & they give Keith a trombone to play
>> it says he "pressed keys".
>> Sorry Terry. A Trombone has NO KEYS! It has a slider. Not even a valve
>> trombone has keys.
>>
>> No brass intrument I'm aware of has "keys", even trumpets & such use valves.
>> A trombone has nothing to press, I should know as I learnt to play one when
>> I was 10.
>
>You are evidently unaware of the Trombone as inmproved by Bloody
>Stupid Johnson...

Wouldn't that be something more like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jJeAh10jI

Although on the other hand, Johnson's pipe organs (such as the one at
Unseen University or the Magpyr's castle) seem to work pretty much the
way they're supposed to. Maybe his design quirks don't extend to
musican instruments?

-Chris Zakes
Texas

Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited
resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept.
..
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Chris Zakes

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:03 pm
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT), an orbital mind-control
laser caused Richard Adams <ackthpt.TakeThisOut@concentric.net> to write:

>On Jul 18, 7:56 am, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da....TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>> I don't know if anyone's spotted this mistake yet but here goes.
>> Terry is normally very good on his research but he well & truly screwed up
>> on this one & I'm surprised I didn't spot it before.
>>
>> Page 239
>>
>> When Keith is talking to the Rat Piper & they give Keith a trombone to play
>> it says he "pressed keys".
>> Sorry Terry. A Trombone has NO KEYS! It has a slider. Not even a valve
>> trombone has keys.
>>
>> No brass intrument I'm aware of has "keys", even trumpets & such use valves.
>> A trombone has nothing to press, I should know as I learnt to play one when
>> I was 10.
>
>You are evidently unaware of the Trombone as inmproved by Bloody
>Stupid Johnson...

Wouldn't that be something more like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jJeAh10jI

Although on the other hand, Johnson's pipe organs (such as the one at
Unseen University or the Magpyr's castle) seem to work pretty much the
way they're supposed to. Maybe his design quirks don't extend to
musican instruments?

-Chris Zakes
Texas

Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited
resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept.
..
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:13 am
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On Jul 27, 11:03 pm, Chris Zakes <donti... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT), an orbital mind-control
> laser caused Richard Adams <ackt... RemoveThis @concentric.net> to write:
>
>
>
> >On Jul 18, 7:56 am, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da... RemoveThis @ntlworld.com>
> >wrote:
> >> I don't know if anyone's spotted this mistake yet but here goes.
> >> Terry is normally very good on his research but he well & truly screwed up
> >> on this one & I'm surprised I didn't spot it before.
>
> >> Page 239
>
> >> When Keith is talking to the Rat Piper & they give Keith a trombone to play
> >> it says he "pressed keys".
> >> Sorry Terry. A Trombone has NO KEYS! It has a slider. Not even a valve
> >> trombone has keys.
>
> >> No brass intrument I'm aware of has "keys", even trumpets & such use valves.
> >> A trombone has nothing to press, I should know as I learnt to play one when
> >> I was 10.
>
> >You are evidently unaware of the Trombone as inmproved by Bloody
> >Stupid Johnson...
>
> Wouldn't that be something more like this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jJeAh10jI
>
> Although on the other hand, Johnson's pipe organs (such as the one at
> Unseen University or the Magpyr's castle) seem to work pretty much the
> way they're supposed to. Maybe his design quirks don't extend to
> musican instruments?
>
> -Chris Zakes
> Texas

Ridcully might disagree. But then, I'm not sure if the "Musical Pipes
Enhancement" in the Archchancellor's shower properly counts as a
"musical instrument" or "plumbing".

Musical plumbing, maybe?
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