Thrint Question

Tim Bruening schrieb:
> To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
> duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
> commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
> suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
> once. All other slaves take a one day nap").

Because the Thrint were about as sharp as a sack of wet mice? ISTR that
reasoning wasn't exactly their forte.

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Paul Colquhoun wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:29:13 -0800, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> | To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
> | duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
> | commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
> | suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
> | once. All other slaves take a one day nap").
>
> It's fairly well established that the Thrint weren't very bright...

But surly they would be used to giving specific orders to specific slaves.
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Matthias Warkus wrote:

> Tim Bruening schrieb:
> > To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
> > duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
> > commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
> > suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
> > once. All other slaves take a one day nap").
>
> Because the Thrint were about as sharp as a sack of wet mice? ISTR that
> reasoning wasn't exactly their forte.

Beginning of "World of P'tavvs": A Thrint named Kzanol comes up with a clever
way to rescue himself from a ship stranded in space and moving at 93% of the
speed of light, and also keep other Thrint from stealing his valuable
possessions. He ordered his ship's Brain to plot and execute a course to
F124 (Earth) using half the remaining power, completing all necessary
maneuvers in a day. He then told the Brain to plot a course to the 8th
planet (Neptune) of the F124 system, wait 1/2 day, and then execute. He then
went outside his ship and activated his suit's stasis field. His spare suit,
still on the ship and containing his valuables, was already in another stasis
field. I consider the above actions to be an indication that Kzanol is
fairly smart. The only thing he missed was the possibility of one of
Neptune's moons getting in the way!
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Matthias Warkus wrote:

> Tim Bruening schrieb:
> > To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
> > duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
> > commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
> > suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
> > once. All other slaves take a one day nap").
>
> Because the Thrint were about as sharp as a sack of wet mice? ISTR that
> reasoning wasn't exactly their forte.

But surly they would be used to giving specific orders to specific slaves, so
the idea of specifically ordering only the Tnuctipun to commit suicide should
be obvious even to the dim witted Thrint!
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> Paul Colquhoun wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:29:13 -0800, Tim Bruening
>> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
>>> duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy
>>> to commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint
>>> apply the suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun
>>> commit suicide at once. All other slaves take a one day nap").
>>
>> It's fairly well established that the Thrint weren't very bright...
>
> But surly they would be used to giving specific orders to specific
> slaves.

That's what trustees and overseers are for.

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On Jan 6, 6:36 am, Matthias Warkus <War....TakeThisOut@students.uni-marburg.de>
wrote:

> Well, maybe. Maybe he's a genius among his peers. Anyhow less smart ones
> wouldn't have survived the same situation, so there is a degree of
> selection, and thus, Kzanol's achievement tells us not much about Thrint
> intelligence in general. However, he *himself* notes that neither he nor
> anyone else ever came up with the idea that relativity might be what's
> skewing his mechanical watch and comes to the conclusion that his
> species maybe wasn't all that bright.

Was it Kzanol who realized that, or was it whatsisname-the-human
running Kzanol's memories on a better processor?
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Tim Bruening schrieb:
>
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening schrieb:
>>> To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
>>> duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
>>> commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
>>> suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
>>> once. All other slaves take a one day nap").
>> Because the Thrint were about as sharp as a sack of wet mice? ISTR that
>> reasoning wasn't exactly their forte.
>
> Beginning of "World of P'tavvs": A Thrint named Kzanol comes up with a clever
> way to rescue himself from a ship stranded in space and moving at 93% of the
> speed of light, and also keep other Thrint from stealing his valuable
> possessions. He ordered his ship's Brain to plot and execute a course to
> F124 (Earth) using half the remaining power, completing all necessary
> maneuvers in a day. He then told the Brain to plot a course to the 8th
> planet (Neptune) of the F124 system, wait 1/2 day, and then execute. He then
> went outside his ship and activated his suit's stasis field. His spare suit,
> still on the ship and containing his valuables, was already in another stasis
> field. I consider the above actions to be an indication that Kzanol is
> fairly smart.

Well, maybe. Maybe he's a genius among his peers. Anyhow less smart ones
wouldn't have survived the same situation, so there is a degree of
selection, and thus, Kzanol's achievement tells us not much about Thrint
intelligence in general. However, he *himself* notes that neither he nor
anyone else ever came up with the idea that relativity might be what's
skewing his mechanical watch and comes to the conclusion that his
species maybe wasn't all that bright.

mawa
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
> duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
> commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
> suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
> once. All other slaves take a one day nap").

The Thrintun were powerful.

They were also only slightly brighter than the average ape. In other
words, dumb as posts. With the Power, they didn't HAVE to be very bright.

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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>To put down the Tnuctipun uprising, the Thrint elders built a super
>duper amplifier helmet and used it to order everyone in the galaxy to
>commit suicide, including themselves. Why didn't the Thrint apply the
>suicide order only to the Tnuctipun? ("All Tnuctipun commit suicide at
>once. All other slaves take a one day nap").

Because the thrint, like some other people I could think of, were Not Very
Smart. Plus which, I'm fairly sure the Thrint did NOT build it themselves,
but controlled Tnuctipun into doing so ... so did not actually know how it
worked or how to alter things so it would only apply to one species. And
why bother? All the other species were slaves anyway... Considering
consequences was another thing the Thrint were Not Good At, as shown in
several other places in the canon.

_Think_, Tim. Don't just ask.

Dave
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>Beginning of "World of P'tavvs": A Thrint named Kzanol comes up with a clever
>way to rescue himself from a ship stranded in space and moving at 93% of the
>speed of light, and also keep other Thrint from stealing his valuable
>possessions. He ordered his ship's Brain to plot and execute a course to
>F124 (Earth) using half the remaining power, completing all necessary
>maneuvers in a day. He then told the Brain to plot a course to the 8th
>planet (Neptune) of the F124 system, wait 1/2 day, and then execute. He then
>went outside his ship and activated his suit's stasis field. His spare suit,
>still on the ship and containing his valuables, was already in another stasis
>field. I consider the above actions to be an indication that Kzanol is
>fairly smart. The only thing he missed was the possibility of one of
>Neptune's moons getting in the way!

Or that Kzanol had heard of some previous unsung hero doing something like
this, and it was close enough for him to adapt...

Dave
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On Jan 6, 3:28 pm, djhe....TakeThisOut@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> It was the human. He reviewed the thrint's memories and came to
> realize what the answer was --- why hadn't he ever realized that
> before? Because he'd been a thrint. As all above have said,
> they were stupid.

I hate it when loud and violent agreements get going in this group.
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louann_m.RemoveThis@yahoo.com schrieb:
> On Jan 6, 6:36 am, Matthias Warkus <War....RemoveThis@students.uni-marburg.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe. Maybe he's a genius among his peers. Anyhow less smart ones
>> wouldn't have survived the same situation, so there is a degree of
>> selection, and thus, Kzanol's achievement tells us not much about Thrint
>> intelligence in general. However, he *himself* notes that neither he nor
>> anyone else ever came up with the idea that relativity might be what's
>> skewing his mechanical watch and comes to the conclusion that his
>> species maybe wasn't all that bright.
>
> Was it Kzanol who realized that, or was it whatsisname-the-human
> running Kzanol's memories on a better processor?

Hmm. Got me there. Unfortunately, my copy of the book is about 280 km away.

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louann_m RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

> On Jan 6, 6:36 am, Matthias Warkus <War... RemoveThis @students.uni-marburg.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, maybe. Maybe he's a genius among his peers. Anyhow less smart
> > ones wouldn't have survived the same situation, so there is a
> > degree of selection, and thus, Kzanol's achievement tells us not
> > much about Thrint intelligence in general. However, he himself
> > notes that neither he nor anyone else ever came up with the idea
> > that relativity might be what's skewing his mechanical watch and
> > comes to the conclusion that his species maybe wasn't all that
> > bright.
>
> Was it Kzanol who realized that, or was it whatsisname-the-human
> running Kzanol's memories on a better processor?

Correct, it was Greenberg/Kzanol.




Brian

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