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"Rhino7" <laney2.TakeThisOut@comfishcast.net> wrote in message
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>> There have been almost 6 centuries of schism and conflict within
>> the body. I think we're starting to see a return to the
>> "Oneness" and seminaries like Biblical, while small, are the
>> starting places for these movements.
>>
>> Tristaan
>
> Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
> female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for
> ages, and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is
> prohibited by
> a large number of secular laws.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> <gets popcorn>

What kind of popcorn is it? {SMILE, plop down}

Even more amusing is watching the media predict a schism in the Anglican
union for the umpteenth time since I was born. The union hasn't split yet.
{AMUSED SMILE}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin

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"victoreia" <inkypaws.TakeThisOut@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 7/12/2008 1:36 PM, Rhino7 wrote:
> [snippy]
>> Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>>
>> !!So Mote It Be!!
>>
>> <The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college.
>> Albeit one with very very short, hirsute students.>
>
> [whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>
> --
> victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]

Ape. Remember that. They're apes. {Smile, wink, SMILE}


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:40:16 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
brain with:

>Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
>female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for ages,
>and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is prohibited by a
>large number of secular laws.

However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
(being God).

This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
sociological differences in time and place.

Tristaan

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Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:36:51 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
brain with:

>Congrats-n-stuff!!
>
>Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>
>!!So Mote It Be!!
>
><The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college. Albeit
>one with very very short, hirsute students.>

Hirsute, yes. Short? Depends upon your definition of "short".
See, when we orangs are normally seen, we're sitting on our bums
so, obviously, we appear short.

Ever see a full grown male orangutan standing upright on his hind
feet?

Tristaan
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Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:24:20 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
brain with:

>
>[whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>
>--
>victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]

The orangs look at victoreia with rather hurt looks on their
faces, shake the heads sadly and huddle around. Finally, one
approaches victoreia with a slip of paper. It reads:

"Oook ook oook OOOk eep ook eep oook 50 ook eep ook ook oop eek
10 eep ook ook OOk eep 5 ook eep ook oop ook eep ook ooop eek 2
eek"

Which, roughly translates:

"Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
weeks starting now."

Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)

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Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

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On 7/15/2008 7:28 AM, Tristaan wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:24:20 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>> [whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>>
>> --
>> victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
>
> The orangs look at victoreia with rather hurt looks on their
> faces, shake the heads sadly and huddle around. Finally, one
> approaches victoreia with a slip of paper. It reads:
>
> "Oook ook oook OOOk eep ook eep oook 50 ook eep ook ook oop eek
> 10 eep ook ook OOk eep 5 ook eep ook oop ook eep ook ooop eek 2
> eek"
>
> Which, roughly translates:
>
> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
> weeks starting now."
>
> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>
Yes, much better, but I didn't actually _finish_ saying the "m" word!
Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]

--
victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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In article <70np74h9jo0fcmqls1oehp5kmg850eim4m.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Tristaan <tristaanus.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
> heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
> reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
> not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
> (being God).

> This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
> the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
> when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
> sociological differences in time and place.

Funny, I thought (back when I thought about such things) that
change was harder in the fundamentalist sects (like the one I
grew up in - no names no packdrill) where everyone had to agree,
and there was no one who could say "It shall be *thus*" and make
it "thus". However, while I've been away (40 years in England),
things have changed incrementally and my brothers didn't seem to
have noticed. I managed to keep quiet (nearly).

IOW you may well be right.

Joyce (ready to return to lurk mode).

Joyce Haslam.

--

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:56:49 +0100, Joyce Haslam stomped through
my brain with:

>Funny, I thought (back when I thought about such things) that
>change was harder in the fundamentalist sects (like the one I
>grew up in - no names no packdrill) where everyone had to agree,
>and there was no one who could say "It shall be *thus*" and make
>it "thus". However, while I've been away (40 years in England),
>things have changed incrementally and my brothers didn't seem to
>have noticed. I managed to keep quiet (nearly).

Perhaps that might be the case as of 40 years ago, but in the
post-modernistic sociological/cultural landscape that exists now
in the United States, change is inevitable.

I belong to a so-called "fundamentalist" sect (I've heard the
Mennonite church called such, or at least ultra-conservative) and
it's only been within the past 40 or 50 years that a LOT of
changes have occurred.

However, considering the Roman Catholic church, any change in
church function, doctrine, etc, must flow up the line to the Pope
and then flow back down. In the protestant denominations, while
you have "committee decisions", most of the time (in my
experience) those committee decisions are made only after the
cultural pressure from the individual congregations has made it
moot.

I could be wrong in this evaluation (not having intimate
knowledge of the Roman Catholic church and it's hierarchical
processes) but that's what appears to be the case.

Tristaan

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Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:31:41 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
brain with:

>> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
>> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
>> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
>> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
>> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
>> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
>> weeks starting now."
>>
>> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>>
>Yes, much better, but I didn't actually _finish_ saying the "m" word!
>Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]
>
>--
>victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)

The orang stares at Victoreia for a moment then puts on it's own
"pity me" face... no one can put on a "pity me" pout like a
creature whose lips have their own time zone...

Tristaan

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Beware Spam Trap!: "us" is an "ogre"
*******************************************************
Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

Theologian in training http://ballymennoniteblogger.blogspot.com/
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:22:12 -0400, Tristaan <tristaanus DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
>However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
>non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
>century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).

Not so!

The Salvation Army, which was an offshoot of the Methodists, has
allowed female clergy since its inception in 1878. Between 1934 and
1939, Evangeline Booth, (daughter of William Booth, the founder of the
Army) became the 4th General (highest rank among the clergy).

Az
(former Salvationist)
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:57:31 +0930, Mummy Az stomped through my
brain with:

>Not so!
>
>The Salvation Army, which was an offshoot of the Methodists, has
>allowed female clergy since its inception in 1878. Between 1934 and
>1939, Evangeline Booth, (daughter of William Booth, the founder of the
>Army) became the 4th General (highest rank among the clergy).

Hehe... IIRC, the Salvation Army has always been at the
forefront of culturally related changes in church doctrine.
Interesting piece of information there to sock away for future
reference.

Tristaan
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Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

Theologian in training http://ballymennoniteblogger.blogspot.com/
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Tristaan wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:31:41 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
>>> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
>>> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
>>> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
>>> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
>>> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
>>> weeks starting now."
>>>
>>> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>>>
>> Yes, much better, but I didn't actually _finish_ saying the "m" word!
>> Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]
>>
>> --
>> victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)
>
> The orang stares at Victoreia for a moment then puts on it's own
> "pity me" face... no one can put on a "pity me" pout like a
> creature whose lips have their own time zone...
>
> Tristaan
>

You've obviously never had a close association with a Basset Hound.
It's the eyes!!

'wyrm
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"Tristaan" <tristaanus.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:40:16 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
>>female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for
>>ages,
>>and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is prohibited
>>by
>>a large number of secular laws.
>
> However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
> non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
> century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
> Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
> heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
> reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
> not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
> (being God).
>
> This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
> the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
> when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
> sociological differences in time and place.

Maybe you're right. At least it seems like this sometimes. {Smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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