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"SAMK" <dimarchos DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Tristaan wrote:
>> At the risk of sounding judgemental, this type of stance by any
>> denomination sounds so much like the Pharasical practices of the
>> 1st Century CE... Jesus himself specifical spoke against the
>> legalistic adherance to human-created laws and practices at the
>> expense of the grace, mercy, and love implicit (and in some
>> cases, explicit) in the law. So much of the practices of that
>> era were from rabbinical interpretation of scripture and, in
>> fact, those rabbinical interpretations were given as much
>> credance (if not, in some extreme cases, more) than the law
>> itself.
>
> The problem is, the Catholic Church does not consider those things
> passed down from the Pope to be "human-created" but that the Pope
> has a direct line to God.
>
> I say, anything created by man is, by nature, imperfect. Even divine
> inspiration cannot overcome this limit.
>
> And the fact that they change their mind on things only proves it.

The heads of the Roman Catholic Church do seem to try to change their
minds as little as possible once they've made them up. I notice policy
still changes over time, but this change is distinctly on the slow and
gradual side. {slightly lopsided Smile}


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:07:25 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
brain with:

>> 34-36When the Pharisees heard how he had bested the Sadducees,
>> they gathered their forces for an assault. One of their religion
>> scholars spoke for them, posing a question they hoped would show
>> him up: "Teacher, which command in God's Law is the most
>> important?"
>> 37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion
>> and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the
>> first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it:
>> 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands
>> are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from
>> them."
>> " Matthew 22:34-40 MEssage paraphrase.
>>
>> Tristaan
>
>Heya Tris ... technical question: which version are you using there? It's a
>very nice modern translation without being "too modern".

That "translation" is not, technically, a translation. It's a
paraphrase of a translation. Someone took the original texts and
translated it (into like the NIV or the KJV or something like
that) and then reworded it, paraphrased it. So it's a
translation of a translation...

It's called "The Message" Here's a couple of links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%28Bible%29
http://www.navpress.com/Message/HistoryAndFaqs/#05

Most scholarly work done is usually done with something like the
NIV or the RSV which are more direct translations with very
little paraphrasing occurring.

But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
impact on some very ancient concepts.

Tristaan
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:32 -0400, Tristaan stomped through my
brain with:

>But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
>impact on some very ancient concepts.

One of my favorite passages from "The Message" that really drives
home the point occurs in Job 38-41. God basically let's Job have
it for questioning him. Check it out.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038-41;&version=65;

Specifically, I like this part:

"Do you presume to tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Are you calling me a sinner so you can be a saint?
Do you have an arm like my arm?
Can you shout in thunder the way I can?
Go ahead, show your stuff.
Let's see what you're made of, what you can do.
Unleash your outrage.
Target the arrogant and lay them flat.
Target the arrogant and bring them to their knees.
Stop the wicked in their tracks—make mincemeat of them!
Dig a mass grave and dump them in it—
faceless corpses in an unmarked grave.
I'll gladly step aside and hand things over to you—
you can surely save yourself with no help from me! "
Job 40:8-14

Reading this passage reminds me of the movie "Bruce Almighty".

Okay... so... you think you can do a better job than God? Be my
guest...

Tristaan
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When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"

~Disciple "Things Left Unsaid"

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>>Heya Tris ... technical question: which version are you using there? It's
>>a
>>very nice modern translation without being "too modern".
>
> That "translation" is not, technically, a translation. It's a
> paraphrase of a translation. Someone took the original texts and
> translated it (into like the NIV or the KJV or something like
> that) and then reworded it, paraphrased it. So it's a
> translation of a translation...
>
> It's called "The Message" Here's a couple of links:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%28Bible%29
> http://www.navpress.com/Message/HistoryAndFaqs/#05
>
> Most scholarly work done is usually done with something like the
> NIV or the RSV which are more direct translations with very
> little paraphrasing occurring.
>
> But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
> impact on some very ancient concepts.
>
> Tristaan

I agree. Very nice. Probably not for scholarly purposes, but ... <g>.

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