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On Apr 3, 4:46 am, The Black Guardian <blakg....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
> Jinx wrote:
> > On the heels of not only some of the best character work done with
> > the character in AGES, but also the proverbial reset button being
> > pushed on her situation via the Messiah Baby, ROGUE was in prime
> > position for another crack at the solo spotlight. The last scene
> > of her walking away from Gambit asking for him not to follow had
> > "to be continued..." written all over it.
> > Carey proved to have a uncommon affinity for writing her. Had I my
> > druthers, I would put him (Or Peter David. Or Warren Ellis) at
> > the helm of a Rogue centric ongoing, or miniseries or even a
> > starring role in the Marvel Comics Presents book.
> > Supporting cast: Mystique, Blindspot, Gambit...the town Valle
> > Soleada? Lots of potential.
>
> You honestly think Rogue could support an ongoing, even with this
> cast? Every series Rogue has tried to carry herself has tanked.
> Gambit's become a walking pariah. Blindspot it basically a non-entity.
> Mystique just doesn't have the fanbase either.
>
> Anyway, this story is to be continued, in the pages of X-MEN LEGACY.
> It only really needs one arc.

Every series has tanked because it hasnt been written well, not
because the character CAN'T carry an ongoing. All it takes is the
right creative team and a concept to make a solo book work. I never
thought Madrox could carry a series until Peter Davis showed he COULD.
I never had any interest in Ka-Zar until Mark Waid came up with a
pitch/angle for the character that WORKED. I thought Rogue to be lost
as an appendage to Gambit until Mike Carey showed she ISN'T.
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in news:382736bc-fc38-4310-
ae87-a4817764d813.DeleteThis@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Jinx wrote:
>> On the heels of not only some of the best character work done with
>> the character in AGES, but also the proverbial reset button being
>> pushed on her situation via the Messiah Baby, ROGUE was in prime
>> position for another crack at the solo spotlight. The last scene
>> of her walking away from Gambit asking for him not to follow had
>> "to be continued..." written all over it.
>> Carey proved to have a uncommon affinity for writing her. Had I my
>> druthers, I would put him (Or Peter David. Or Warren Ellis) at
>> the helm of a Rogue centric ongoing, or miniseries or even a
>> starring role in the Marvel Comics Presents book.
>
>> Supporting cast: Mystique, Blindspot, Gambit...the town Valle
>> Soleada? Lots of potential.
>
> You honestly think Rogue could support an ongoing, even with this
> cast? Every series Rogue has tried to carry herself has tanked.
> Gambit's become a walking pariah. Blindspot it basically a non-entity.
> Mystique just doesn't have the fanbase either.

Actually, didn't Mystique's solo book last longer than any solo
Rogue attempt in the last ten years (at least)?
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:01:59 GMT, badbad <user DeleteThis @example.net> wrote:

[about a Rogue solo book]

>To make it work you would need a Gail Simone type IMO. The stories would
>definitely have to be founded on Rogue's personality and not generic
>"sentinels attack" or "I can't touch anyone - boo-hoo" stories. There
>are possibilities - especially if Bachalo would draw it.

Without "I can't tough anyone - boo-hoo", there is no Rogue. You might as
well try writing Cyclops without him being an uptight control-freak.

(Now, if we put Leech under the bed...)


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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> and I'd believe Rogue could support a solo ongoing
> before I'd believe Prof. X could.

X-Men: Legacy might not be a Professor X solo title. It could still
go either way at the moment, as it currently is as much about Magneto
and Exodus as it is Xavier, with an implied overall goal of finding
what new post-Decimation "truth" mutants could and should live under.

I'm not sure how well Rogue could hold a solo title though. I'm
honestly not sure how interesting she really is. We've seen a lot of
it before in team books.

Mystique was perhaps interesting in part just because she was new.
She's been around quite a while, but often only in brief appearances,
and hardly ever as even a reluctant good guy.

We got somewhat similar with the Emma Frost solo title, which
instead of focusing on new hero Emma (which we were getting on a
monthly basis), focused on her youth before she was even a bad
guy, which was also new for readers. It's biggest weakness was
probably the feeling that it wasn't ever going to go anywhere,
having no real endpoint in sight, and basically just running until
people lost interest in it. So readers would never get the real
pay-off of a title that was supposedly exploring what led Emma to
be the woman (and villain) that she would become.
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William George Ferguson wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:01:59 GMT, badbad <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote:
>
> [about a Rogue solo book]
>
>> To make it work you would need a Gail Simone type IMO. The stories would
>> definitely have to be founded on Rogue's personality and not generic
>> "sentinels attack" or "I can't touch anyone - boo-hoo" stories. There
>> are possibilities - especially if Bachalo would draw it.
>
> Without "I can't tough anyone - boo-hoo", there is no Rogue. You might as
> well try writing Cyclops without him being an uptight control-freak.
>
> (Now, if we put Leech under the bed...)
>
>

You know, I actually agree with YOU as well as the first poster.

There is a sincere problem with Roque in that she doesn't have fleshed
out, interesting life. Most writers just kept going back to the old saw
of "can't kiss, can't touch" and that is the character which lies before us.

I do think that I have seen Jean Grey in a new light since reading
X-Men: First Class. I see a more interesting character in that Jean Grey
now more than ever. I think Rogue would also have such potential if
given the opportunity.

I would also say that Rogue certainly isn't my favourite character in
the MU. There are female characters that I would prefer having a solo
book but I have to agree that she has some potential.

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:25:01 -0700, William George Ferguson
<wmgfrgsn.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:01:59 GMT, badbad <user.TakeThisOut@example.net> wrote:
>
>[about a Rogue solo book]
>
>>To make it work you would need a Gail Simone type IMO. The stories would
>>definitely have to be founded on Rogue's personality and not generic
>>"sentinels attack" or "I can't touch anyone - boo-hoo" stories. There
>>are possibilities - especially if Bachalo would draw it.
>
>Without "I can't tough anyone - boo-hoo", there is no Rogue. You might as
>well try writing Cyclops without him being an uptight control-freak.

Well, you should go back and read the X-books just prior to Morrison
coming aboard...because Scott Lobdell was doing just that...he had
recent events (his joining with Apocalypse) forcing Cyclops to be more
emotional and impulsive...basically acting more like Wolverine...which
was a forcing Wolverine to fill his traditional role...it was very
interesting and made perfect sense given what had been happening in
the books...it was a far better approach than Morrison's.

The events of Messiah Complex could leave a similar opportunity with
Rogue...with what has happened, there are any number of ways the
character could go from here...now, Rogue wouldn't be my first choice
to get a solo x-book but I can definitely see some possibilities at
the moment.

I'm of the opinion that just about any decent character could support
a solo book with the right approach...and creators...it's just that,
most often, when these books are attempted with long-standing team
characters (like Rogue, Gambit, Emma, etc.), it's only done to
capitalize on the popularity of the character and there isn't really
much thought or effort put into the execution...it worked once with
Wolverine so they just assume that it will work every time...and they
have been proven wrong over and over.
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Billy Bissette wrote:
> The Black Guardian wrote:
>> Jinx wrote:
>>> On the heels of not only some of the best character work done
>>> with the character in AGES, but also the proverbial reset button
>>> being pushed on her situation via the Messiah Baby, ROGUE was in
>>> prime position for another crack at the solo spotlight. The
>>> last scene of her walking away from Gambit asking for him not to
>>> follow had "to be continued..." written all over it.
>>> Carey proved to have a uncommon affinity for writing her. Had I
>>> my druthers, I would put him (Or Peter David. Or Warren Ellis)
>>> at the helm of a Rogue centric ongoing, or miniseries or even a
>>> starring role in the Marvel Comics Presents book.
>>>
>>> Supporting cast: Mystique, Blindspot, Gambit...the town Valle
>>> Soleada? Lots of potential.
>>
>> You honestly think Rogue could support an ongoing, even with this
>> cast? Every series Rogue has tried to carry herself has tanked.
>> Gambit's become a walking pariah. Blindspot it basically a
>> non-entity. Mystique just doesn't have the fanbase either.
>
> Actually, didn't Mystique's solo book last longer than any solo
> Rogue attempt in the last ten years (at least)?

It did, but it had nothing to do with the size of the fanbase. It was
low maintenance (meaning cheaper to produce) and kept on life support
for about a year before being stopped.
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