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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:04:12 -0000, TT Arvind
wrote:

 >Wes ðu Öjevind Lång hal!
  >> I'm a but puzzled by the part saying that Swedes find nynorsk easier to
  >> understand than bokmål. That isn't my experience. But then of course, I'm
  >> from Scania, which was Danish once... My Finnish ancestors have a much
  >> longer Swedish history than my Scanian ones.
 >
 >You can take a look at a brief presentation of the results on the site
 >below. The study was generally conducted on the extent to which
 >youngsters can understand the other languages, and all the results are
 >quite interesting.
 >
 >http://www.dansk-norsk.no/images/Spraakkonf05/INS-overhead.pdf
 >
 >Arvind

Aber daß ist incomprehensibobble!

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Troels Forchhammer wrote:


  >>T.M. Sommers wrote:
  >>
   >>>And some scholars have both an Old Norse and an Old Icelandic. This
   >>>tree is from the American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-European
   >>>Roots, 2/e, 2000:
   >>>
   >>>N. Gmc. --+-- O. Norse --+-- O. Icelandic -- Icelandic
   >>> | |
   >>> | +-- Faroese
   >>> | |
   >>> | +-- O. Norwegian -- Mid. Norw. -- Norw.
   >>> |
   >>> +----------------- O. Swedish -- Mid. Sw. -- Sw.
   >>> |
   >>> +----------------- O. Danish -- Mid. Dan. -- Dan.
  >>
  >>Yes. The ambiguity lies in that where you O. Norse in this diagram
  >>some scholars would put O. Icelandic, and then put Middle Icelandic
  >>where you see O. Icelandic. Just some confusion to clarify things.
 >
 > I'm rather curious as to the derivation of Danish and Norwegian
 > (contemporary), as it is my impression (as a native speaker of one of
 > them) that these two are closer related (or at least more mutually
 > intelligible) than any other pair (there is of course a difference
 > between the two Norwegian languages, so I might have to ask whether the
 > above is Bokmål or Nynorsk).

As to the last question, I can't say because the source didn't say.

Regarding the closeness of the languages, again I can't say
because I don't know any of them. However, I think the
presentation of the tree may distort the perception of the
relation of the languages. Actually, I don't think such trees of
language descent are meant to say anything about how close the
languages might be. In the diagram above, if you momentarily
ignore the Icelandic branch and Faroese, then the three remaining
languages appear at equivalent positions with respect to North
Germanic; the diagram says nothing about how close they are to
each other.

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the softrat wrote:
 > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:04:12 -0000, TT Arvind
<font color=green>  >> <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.dansk-norsk.no/images/Spraakkonf05/INS-overhead.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.dansk-norsk.no/images/Spraakkonf05/INS-overhead.pdf</font</a>>
 >
 > Aber daß ist incomprehensibobble!

Pretty pictures though.
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"the softrat" wrote in message


 > wrote:
  > >
  > >After three years of learning Norwegian (with nynorsk as my primary
  > >language-form), I personally find written Swedish significantly easier
  > >to understand than written Danish. I also recall reading (in
  > >Aftenposten) of a study which showed that Swedes find nynorsk easiest to
  > >understand, followed by bokmål and Danish, whereas Danes find bokmål
  > >easiset, followed by nynorsk and Swedish. I don't know how that fits
  > >into your theories.
 >
 > All of this proves that they talk real funny in (Bal)rogaland.
 >

I've got to ask this, softy - exactly what have the Scowegians done to (for,
against) you?
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"TT Arvind" skrev i meddelandet

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[snip]

 > You can take a look at a brief presentation of the results on the site
 > below. The study was generally conducted on the extent to which
 > youngsters can understand the other languages, and all the results are
 > quite interesting.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.dansk-norsk.no/images/Spraakkonf05/INS-overhead.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.dansk-norsk.no/images/Spraakkonf05/INS-overhead.pdf</font</a>>

Since the research was done at the University of Lund, I realize I must take
it very seriously... yes, I see that Swedes from Sweden (unlike Fenno-Swedes
and Danes) have a marginally better understanding of nynorsk than of the
Danish-influenced bokmål. I'm amazed. Shows how informed we Scanians still
are by our Danish past, I suppose.
I also saw that Norwegians are better at understanding the languages of
their neighbouring countries that Danes and Sawedes, and that, furthermore,
their language(s) is/are understood by more neighburs than Danish or
Swedish. That does not surprise me. As someone once said, Norwegian is
really "Danish pronounced in Swedish".

Øjevind
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:14:49 -0000, "John Jones"
wrote:
 >
 >I've got to ask this, softy - exactly what have the Scowegians done to (for,
 >against) you?
 >
Ask Tamfiska Arvind and Öjevind Långturnip. Not to mention Raven and
Snorri Sturluson....

And our very own Troel......


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Morgil spoke softly, shivering:

 > "A Norse is a Norse, of course, of course.
 > And no-one can talk to a Norse of course.
 > That is of course, unless the Norse,
 > is the famous Mr.Red."

hah! i knew it! one day, even you would admit that santa claus is really
norwegian.

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Öjevind Lång spoke softly, shivering:

 > I think the two words "ripe" and "whiff" were in my mind at the same time.
 > These things can happen when one ponders on Norwegians.

what you say! i washed before i came, i did.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:38:04 -0000, Tamf Moo
wrote:

 >Öjevind Lång spoke softly, shivering:
 >
  >> I think the two words "ripe" and "whiff" were in my mind at the same time.
  >> These things can happen when one ponders on Norwegians.
 >
 >what you say! i washed before i came, i did.

With herring oil?

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"Tamf Moo" skrev i meddelandet

 > Öjevind Lång spoke softly, shivering:
 >
  >> I think the two words "ripe" and "whiff" were in my mind at the same
  >> time.
  >> These things can happen when one ponders on Norwegians.
 >
 > what you say! i washed before i came, i did.

Did you scrub carefully betwteen the scales?

Öjevind
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the softrat spoke softly, shivering:

  > >what you say! i washed before i came, i did.
 >
 > With herring oil?

there is no subsitute.

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Öjevind Lång spoke softly, shivering:

 > Did you scrub carefully betwteen the scales?

what, you mean of the herring?

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"Tamf Moo" skrev i meddelandet

 > Öjevind Lång spoke softly, shivering:
 >
  >> Did you scrub carefully betwteen the scales?
 >
 > what, you mean of the herring?

No, between the scales of justice.

Öjevind
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