So, anyone got any info on the next Honor Harrington book?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:28:48 -0500, "Leo Sorel"
<sorceror-1 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

>Am i right on the part about him getting a story in his head and he has to
>keep looking at it till he gets it right?
>
>and possibly not only re-editing an existing one - but - possibly re-writing
>it also?

no comment (no knowledge, actually)
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David Rorer wrote:
> So is this what DW is doing when he runs out of new story ideas, rewriting
> his old books?

New ideas are easy. Avoiding treating them all the same is a bitch.
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:32:05 -0900, Offbreed
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>David Rorer wrote:
>> So is this what DW is doing when he runs out of new story ideas, rewriting
>> his old books?
>
>New ideas are easy. Avoiding treating them all the same is a bitch.

Magician's adage:

"If you know one thousand ways of discovering the chosen card, and one
of revealing it, you know one trick.

"If you know one way to discover the chosen card and a thousand ways
to reveal it, you know a thousand tricks."
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In other words David Weber's ego is such that he will not take suggestions
or direction from anyone!
Given the slow decline in quality of his work it seems inevitable that he
will end up like Frank Herbert - rewriting the same story over and over
again, to eventually become a caricature of himself.

Or maybe a better comparison would be Christopher Anvil who, though his
output was no where near the volume of DW has the distinction of having the
exact same short story published three times in Astounding/Analog!! Though
each publication was ten years apart and under different editors. (My
collection goes back to the late 1940's and while I haven't verified that
each story is absolutely identical I do recall them quite well and Anvil had
such a distinctive style that they are easy to remember).

On a slightly different front - compare "In Fury Born" to the "Valor" series
by Tanya Huff and note the astonishing number of parallels between her
protagonist, Staff Sergeant Torin Kerr and Staff Sergeant Alicia DeVries!!
Of course DW would not admit to plagiarism but had Tanya Huff's books come
out after IFB and someone pointed out the parallels is it not probable that
he would have complained?



"mike weber" <fairportfan.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:52:50 -0500, "David Rorer" <drorer.TakeThisOut@fuse.net>
> wrote:
>
>>As has been stated before, DW's editors need to exercise greater control
>>over his output - if possible!!
>
> Toini might slug me for this, but:
>
> I know Dave. And i know his editor.
>
> I also know which bears more of a resemblance to an Irresistable Force
> than the other does an Immoveable Object.
>
> (Although OAR is from a different publisher/editor, isn't it?)
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You should maybe check your facts a little more accurately before making or
alluding to charges of plagarism. Tanya Huff published the first Valor book
in 2000. In Fury Born was published in 1992. An 8 year difference. David
Weber was first. Also - there wasn't much the same about the two
characters. Any character that was similar to the Valor series would be the
one written by Rick Shelley, called Spec Ops Squad written in 2001.

As to the all time author that keeps rewritting the same story over and over
and over - you might want to check out LE Modesitt who has written the
almost exact same story with the exact same characters and plot lines at
least through 30 books.

The fact that David Weber has acknowledge rewritting In Fury Born is fine -
it was stated up front - and if you didn't like it - you didn't have to buy
the new book. I have no problem with an author rewriting a book to make it
better - especially where he's ALSO continuing to write new books AND also
helping out other authors on their books.

And why should an author take direction or suggestions from someone other
than his editor or wife? what ego you must have to think an author should
kowtow to the wishes of a fan base that can't even agree amongst themselves
on what is good and isn't good among his books as it is. There is and
always will remain a minority of people that may like David Webers books,
but - will still be the most vocal critics he has.


"David Rorer" <drorer.TakeThisOut@fuse.net> wrote in message
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> In other words David Weber's ego is such that he will not take suggestions
> or direction from anyone!
> Given the slow decline in quality of his work it seems inevitable that he
> will end up like Frank Herbert - rewriting the same story over and over
> again, to eventually become a caricature of himself.
>
> Or maybe a better comparison would be Christopher Anvil who, though his
> output was no where near the volume of DW has the distinction of having
> the exact same short story published three times in Astounding/Analog!!
> Though each publication was ten years apart and under different editors.
> (My collection goes back to the late 1940's and while I haven't verified
> that each story is absolutely identical I do recall them quite well and
> Anvil had such a distinctive style that they are easy to remember).
>
> On a slightly different front - compare "In Fury Born" to the "Valor"
> series by Tanya Huff and note the astonishing number of parallels between
> her protagonist, Staff Sergeant Torin Kerr and Staff Sergeant Alicia
> DeVries!! Of course DW would not admit to plagiarism but had Tanya Huff's
> books come out after IFB and someone pointed out the parallels is it not
> probable that he would have complained?
>
>
>
> "mike weber" <fairportfan.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pbn6r3lcbm9bjfm686qvh7eu7pjs0eukgs@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:52:50 -0500, "David Rorer" <drorer.TakeThisOut@fuse.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>As has been stated before, DW's editors need to exercise greater control
>>>over his output - if possible!!
>>
>> Toini might slug me for this, but:
>>
>> I know Dave. And i know his editor.
>>
>> I also know which bears more of a resemblance to an Irresistable Force
>> than the other does an Immoveable Object.
>>
>> (Although OAR is from a different publisher/editor, isn't it?)
>
>
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"Sorceror" <sorceror-1.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> You should maybe check your facts a little more accurately before making
or
> alluding to charges of plagarism. Tanya Huff published the first Valor
book
> in 2000. In Fury Born was published in 1992. An 8 year difference.
David
> Weber was first. Also - there wasn't much the same about the two
> characters. Any character that was similar to the Valor series would be
the
> one written by Rick Shelley, called Spec Ops Squad written in 2001.
>
Path of the Fury was published in 1992 it contains no mention of Alicia
DeVries as a Staff Sergeant

In Fury Born was published in 2006 and includes the prequel to Path of the
Fury in which we are introduced to Staff Sergeant Alicia DeVries in book two
The Emperors Sword

Tanya Huff was first and I maintain that there are many parallels between
book two of Path of the Fury and her series. BTW I had both books on my desk
at the time of writing - as well as currently just so I would get the facts
correct!!!

Lawyers or Pistols at dawn
Your choice!
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:48:53 -0500, "Spacy Bickersons"
<somebody.DeleteThis@microsoft.net> wrote:

>Path of the Fury was published in 1992 it contains no mention of Alicia
>DeVries as a Staff Sergeant

In the backstory, my friend.
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My mistake - it's Path of the Fury in 1992. And you are correct - there is
no mention in Path of the Fury as her as a Staff Sergeant. She's mentioned
on page 25, 8th line down, quote "...youngest Master Sergeant in Cadre
history." And throughout the book, Major Cateau refers to her constantly by
her nickname, Sarge.....

If you want to get technical about it - you are correct - it's not
specifically stated that she was a Staff Sergeant - it's Master Sergeant -
which means that she WAS a Staff Sergeant most likely at some point BEFORE
she became a Master Sergeant.


"Spacy Bickersons" <somebody.DeleteThis@microsoft.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> --
> "Sorceror" <sorceror-1.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:j6idnY4ohcmIql3anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You should maybe check your facts a little more accurately before making
> or
>> alluding to charges of plagarism. Tanya Huff published the first Valor
> book
>> in 2000. In Fury Born was published in 1992. An 8 year difference.
> David
>> Weber was first. Also - there wasn't much the same about the two
>> characters. Any character that was similar to the Valor series would be
> the
>> one written by Rick Shelley, called Spec Ops Squad written in 2001.
>>
> Path of the Fury was published in 1992 it contains no mention of Alicia
> DeVries as a Staff Sergeant
>
> In Fury Born was published in 2006 and includes the prequel to Path of the
> Fury in which we are introduced to Staff Sergeant Alicia DeVries in book
> two
> The Emperors Sword
>
> Tanya Huff was first and I maintain that there are many parallels between
> book two of Path of the Fury and her series. BTW I had both books on my
> desk
> at the time of writing - as well as currently just so I would get the
> facts
> correct!!!
>
> Lawyers or Pistols at dawn
> Your choice!
>
>
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I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Spacy
Bickersons" <somebody.TakeThisOut@microsoft.net> wrote on Sat, 23 Feb 2008
13:48:53 -0500 in alt.books.david-weber :
>"Sorceror" <sorceror-1.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:j6idnY4ohcmIql3anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You should maybe check your facts a little more accurately before making
>> or alluding to charges of plagarism. Tanya Huff published the first Valor
>> book in 2000. In Fury Born was published in 1992. An 8 year difference. David
>> Weber was first. Also - there wasn't much the same about the two characters.
>> Any character that was similar to the Valor series would be the
>> one written by Rick Shelley, called Spec Ops Squad written in 2001.
>>
>Path of the Fury was published in 1992 it contains no mention of Alicia
>DeVries as a Staff Sergeant

mmm, then my copy must be faulty. Pg 83 refers to her as a Master
Sergeant, which was higher than a staff sergeant anyway, if memory
serves.

toodles
pyotr

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I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Sorceror"
<sorceror-1.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote on Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:51:52 -0500 in
alt.books.david-weber :
>My mistake - it's Path of the Fury in 1992. And you are correct - there is
>no mention in Path of the Fury as her as a Staff Sergeant. She's mentioned
>on page 25, 8th line down, quote "...youngest Master Sergeant in Cadre
>history." And throughout the book, Major Cateau refers to her constantly by
>her nickname, Sarge.....
>
>If you want to get technical about it - you are correct - it's not
>specifically stated that she was a Staff Sergeant - it's Master Sergeant -
>which means that she WAS a Staff Sergeant most likely at some point BEFORE
>she became a Master Sergeant.

Even if only for a few moments to keep the paperwork weenies in
BuPer (or the Imperial version thereof) happy.

Military promotions sometimes occur for "odd" reasons. Knew of a
guy who got promoted to colonel over his boss, from way "below the
zone". The only thing he could think of to explain this great fortune
was an Article 15 and he'd crashed two aircraft.

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I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "David Rorer"
<drorer DeleteThis @fuse.net> wrote on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:23:46 -0500 in
alt.books.david-weber :
>
>On a slightly different front - compare "In Fury Born" to the "Valor" series
>by Tanya Huff and note the astonishing number of parallels between her
>protagonist, Staff Sergeant Torin Kerr and Staff Sergeant Alicia DeVries!!

Wow, female protagonists having the same rank. What sort of
coincidence could that be?

Get a grip dude, you're hearing hoof beats and thinking "Zebras"
and not horses.


toodles
pyotr

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:11:16 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle.RemoveThis@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <bf52s3p4joog8dell6jacebgm999n7vl23.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> pyotr filipivich <phamp.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Pg 83 refers to her as a Master Sergeant, which was higher than a
>> staff sergeant anyway, if memory serves.
>
>Two grades higher. Army enlisted ranks are
>
>E1: Private (slick sleeve)
>E2: Private (one stripe)
>E3: Private first class (one stripe with rocker)
>E4: Corporal (two stripes)
> Specialist (eagle)
>E5: Sergeant (three stripes)
>E6: Staff Sergeant (three stripes and rocker)
>E7: Sergeant First Class (three stripes and two rockers)
> Platoon Sergeant (same as SFC)
>E8: Master Sergeant (three stripes and three rockers)
> First Sergeant (Same as MSG, but with a diamond in the middle)
>E9: Sergeant Major (same as MSG, but with star in the middle)
> Command Sergeant Major (same as Sgt. Maj., but with wreath around
>the star)
> Sgt. Maj. of the army (Same as MSG, but with Eagle in the middle)

Navy (last i looked, but there have been change sin the officer ranks
since i was in):

E1 - Seaman recruit
E2- Seaman Apprentice - two stripes (not chevrons, short diagonal
bars; may or may not have a "rating badge", indicating what specialty
you're "striking" for)
E3 - Seaman - three stripes.
E4- Tird Class Petty Officer - one chevron, with rating badge above,
surmounted by "crow" (spread eagle).
E5 - Second Class PO - two chevrons
E6 - First Class
E7 - Chief PO - rocker above the rating badge, crow basically sitting
on the rocker
E8 - Senior Chief - as for CPO, but with one star above
E9 - Master Chief - bankfaced spacehelmet ... errr ... as fro CPO, but
two stars
Master Chief Petty Office of the Navy - three stars above, i
think.

In additiion, the lace composing the chevrons and rockers and
hashmarks (one for every four years) may be red or gold. Gold
baiscally indcates that you haven't been caught for twelve years.
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